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Rangers Prospect Poll: #1

View Poll Results: Who's the Rangers most valuable prospect?
Michael Del Zotto 125 80.13%
Artem Anisimov 9 5.77%
Evgeny Grachev 9 5.77%
Ryan McDonagh 0 0%
Derek Stepan 12 7.69%
Chris Kreider 1 0.64%
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01-06-2010, 12:22 AM
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Next round will be close, I bet. The next few rounds, in fact.

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Top 10, in order:

MDZ
AA
Grachev
Stepan
McDonagh
Kreider
Sanguinetti
Werek
Gilroy
Sauer
Is Werek that good, or is it that you have misgivings about Gilroy?

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01-06-2010, 01:03 AM
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What Stepan and Kreider did during the WJC was absolutely fantastic, but I really hope people don't have a short memory and overrate them because of it. I can totally see some people riding the bandwagon and voting Kreider over a guy like Sanguinetti.

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Is Werek that good, or is it that you have misgivings about Gilroy?
I'm a huge Werek fan. I just don't see Gilroy being all that great. Werek oozes 2nd line 60 point heart and soul guy to me.

I don't see Gilroy being much more than a 30 point d-man in the NHL.

I LIKE Gilroy, but he is what he is.

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01-06-2010, 01:26 AM
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I'm a huge Werek fan. I just don't see Gilroy being all that great. Werek oozes 2nd line 60 point heart and soul guy to me.

I don't see Gilroy being much more than a 30 point d-man in the NHL.


I LIKE Gilroy, but he is what he is.
30 points while playing solid D?

SIGN ME UP!..I'll take 6 of those please!

Way too soon to peg Werek as a 60 point NHLer.......right now he's a good 3rd liner.

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01-06-2010, 01:39 AM
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MDZ
Stepan
Grachev
AA

Top 4, after those four, its not even close.

I Could mix and match the 2-4 if I wanted to and still be happy, i'll probably still change the order as we go.
To me MDZ is in a tier by himself right now. Not even really a prospect anymore as far as I'm concerned, but under these rules he wins it by default.
After that though I'd say Stepan, AA, Grachev, Kreider, and McDonagh are all on the same tier or thereabouts. Some are clearly much farther along in development than others, but I'd say they all rank in the top tier, non-MDZ category. I guess you could throw Sanguinetti in there too, but he seems to have been passed by a bit on the depth chart.
After that I really like Werek, but rankings just seem silly to me once you get past the cream of the crop. It's just too hard to tell.

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Nice I enjoyed this last time around.

Gotta go with MDZ, also add Sangs...

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Had to go MDZ as he's doing it right now for the bigs. Was harder than it looks though TBH

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What Stepan and Kreider did during the WJC was absolutely fantastic, but I really hope people don't have a short memory and overrate them because of it. I can totally see some people riding the bandwagon and voting Kreider over a guy like Sanguinetti.
I don't see how that's so ridiculous. Kreider appears to have a higher ceiling than Sanguinetti. They're both first round picks too. It's perfectly legitimate to value Kreider over Sanguinetti, especially since Sanguinetti fills more of redundant role on this team than Kreider hopefully eventually will.

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Voted Grachev.

Crazy huh?? but...Don't consider MDZ a prospect anymore. (ultimate compliment for a 19 yr old D-man .)

He's a Ranger.

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01-06-2010, 08:31 AM
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Del Zotto for sure.

Have to go with the guys in the NHL right now so I'm figuring Anisimov next.

After the WJC I'd have 3. Stepan 4. Grachev 5. Kreider (who has a ton of untapped potential) 6. McDonagh. I'm debating on 7 and 8 and 9--Gilroy, Sanguinetti and Werek. My sleeper would be Pavel Valentenko. Another sleeper Jordan Owens and my doesn't get enough respect player Dane Byers.

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01-06-2010, 08:48 AM
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MDZ add Sangs.

It's got to be MDZ and AA first, but then I can hardly decide between Grachev and Stepan anymore. Bad timing for Grachev though, with him being in a slump, and Stepan just playing that great at the WJC.
And I don't think there is a big gap to the next prospects: Kreider has really shown that he can play against higher competition, McDonagh looks like he's nearly NHL ready, and we shouldn't forget Sanguinetti either. He is playing very well in the AHL and would absolutely deserve to play on the Rangers over some veterans. And then isn't Gilroy still considered a prospect too?

All in all we have lots of great prospects, which is good!

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01-06-2010, 08:55 AM
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Voted MDZ, of course.

Anyone ranking Stepan over AA is ridiculous. AA is playing in the NHL, and performing well. Stepan is still in college. AA has already done more in his career than Stepan may EVER do. If you were argueing prospects with varying skillsets you might make a case, but you have two guys who are legit 2C prospects who have a very good defensive game (maybe they turn out to be 1C but right now I'd say they look more like 2C). They are very similar.

Right now, I'd rank it:

MDZ
AA
Grachev
Stepan
Sanguinetti
McD

Sanguinetti and McD are somewhat interchangable, IMO. McD has a potentially higher ceiling, Sangs has proved more to this point.

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Voted MDZ, of course.

Anyone ranking Stepan over AA is ridiculous. AA is playing in the NHL, and performing well. Stepan is still in college. AA has already done more in his career than Stepan may EVER do. If you were argueing prospects with varying skillsets you might make a case, but you have two guys who are legit 2C prospects who have a very good defensive game (maybe they turn out to be 1C but right now I'd say they look more like 2C). They are very similar.

Right now, I'd rank it:

MDZ
AA
Grachev
Stepan
Sanguinetti
McD

Sanguinetti and McD are somewhat interchangable, IMO. McD has a potentially higher ceiling, Sangs has proved more to this point.
That's the old argument between potential and how much has been already proven. In the end you always have to make some kind of a compromise as we are ranking prospects who differ a lot in their stage of development.

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That's the old argument between potential and how much has been already proven. In the end you always have to make some kind of a compromise as we are ranking prospects who differ a lot in their stage of development.
My point is, there is no arguement. AA and Stepan are very similar prospects. The biggest difference between them is the fact AA is already in the NHL.

No one can say Stepan has a higher ceiling than AA or vice versa. They have somewhat similar skillsets. AA is a somewhat better shooter, Stepan is a somewhat better passer. So far I'd rate their defense the same (very good). AA has size, Stepan has speed. But overall, you have similar players. Top-6 centers with excellent defensive ability.

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Way too soon to peg Werek as a 60 point NHLer.......right now he's a good 3rd liner.
It's too soon to peg him as anything.

Del Zotto, add Sanguinetti.

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Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
Bobby Sanguinetti
Derek Stepan
Evgeny Grachev
Chris Kreider
Ryan McDonaugh
Ethan Werek

that right ... Bobby Sangs is #3 ... how could anyone say grachev is a greater prospect ... bobby sangs is going to be a deadly force on the ranger powerplay for years to come

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My point is, there is no arguement. AA and Stepan are very similar prospects. The biggest difference between them is the fact AA is already in the NHL.

No one can say Stepan has a higher ceiling than AA or vice versa. They have somewhat similar skillsets. AA is a somewhat better shooter, Stepan is a somewhat better passer. So far I'd rate their defense the same (very good). AA has size, Stepan has speed. But overall, you have similar players. Top-6 centers with excellent defensive ability.
I dunno, I don't see much similarities apart from their position and good defensive awareness. like you said I think Stepan is more of a playmaker with good passing and good speed, while Anisimov has much more size. And since this team is in dire need of a playmaker some might just feel that Stepan could have the potential to be a legit first line center here, while Anisimov will be a serviceable 2nd liner. I don't think that opinion is completely ridiculous.
But I also think with Stepan there are still many many question marks, and thus I rank AA higher. I just think there are valid arguments for the other way round as well.

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