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01-07-2010, 04:42 PM
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You guys probably discussed it already but I don't feel like reading through the rest of the thread....

Is this outdoor BC game going to be televised on national TV or VS. or anything like that? I'd like to watch Kreider play.

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You guys probably discussed it already but I don't feel like reading through the rest of the thread....

Is this outdoor BC game going to be televised on national TV or VS. or anything like that? I'd like to watch Kreider play.
NHL Network. There will probably be online streams as well.

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Kreider is not a "wild card".

Of all the players you listed he's the only one that in a worst case scenario, due to his size, skating, strength, and skill, is a third line NHL player.

And that is if he busts.
What you just described is the definition of a wild card.

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I find it hard to believe that Clarke does not think AA has 2nd line potential. He is having a solid rookie year at 21. He is still filling out, and when he does and learns to use his size better, he has a chance to be a beast.

Personally I think he has 1st line potential, time will tell.

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I find it hard to believe that Clarke does not think AA has 2nd line potential. He is having a solid rookie year at 21. He is still filling out, and when he does and learns to use his size better, he has a chance to be a beast.

Personally I think he has 1st line potential, time will tell.
I think people are waaaaaaaaaay overanalyzing Clarke's comments.

My guess is that he knows he's on TV where all the "normal" fans watch, so he's cautious of setting expectations too high - thus setting these kids up for the Poti treatment if they don't immediately start performing as first liners when they see their first ice at MSG. At other times, he's been much more effusive in praise, but not when speaking to NY area cameras.

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What you just described is the definition of a wild card.
I personally don't think so.

Is the discussion about these guys making it to the NHL and keeping a job?

Because if so, Kreider is the safest bet to be an NHLer.

Kreider will 100% be an NHL player.

There is no guarantee with the others.

Kreider is an NHL player because he's a physical specimen.

He's a freak of an athlete.

I have no doubts about Stepan, Werek, and Grachev.

But, if Grachev doesn't develop his offense at the pro ranks, what else does he provide?

Werek isn't a phenomenal skater.

Kreider's skating, size, strength will put him in the NHL guaranteed.

But anyway, I feel all of them will make it. They all have the talent, but they all also have the mental make up and work ethic to do it.

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To me, wild card means: either make it to the NHL or don't.

So, in that sense, Kreider is not a wild card.

He will be in the NHL.

Safest pick of the bunch, again due to his physical tools.

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To me, wild card means: either make it to the NHL or don't.

So, in that sense, Kreider is not a wild card.

He will be in the NHL.

Safest pick of the bunch, again due to his physical tools.
I take it you never saw Jeff Brown, Christian Dube or Pavel Brendl at 18yo.
Alot can change between 18-22. I hope your right, so far you have to like how he has responded to a huge jump in the level of competition, considering he was drafted out of what is widely considered one of the weakest developmental leagues for draft eligible players. USHS.

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Dube and Brendl have nothing to do with Kreider. Nothing.

Kreider isn't a prospect hoping to get by on skill alone.

He has a high compete level. A ton of work ethic. And he's a physical specimen.

Not sure what's so hard to get about it.

An 18 year old that's 6-2, 205 lbs, skates like Pavel Bure, and hits like Dion Phaneuf.

If his offensive skills (which he does have) don't translate, he's STILL an NHL player because of his physical tools.

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I personally don't think so.

Is the discussion about these guys making it to the NHL and keeping a job?

Because if so, Kreider is the safest bet to be an NHLer.

Kreider will 100% be an NHL player.

There is no guarantee with the others.

Kreider is an NHL player because he's a physical specimen.

He's a freak of an athlete.

I have no doubts about Stepan, Werek, and Grachev.

But, if Grachev doesn't develop his offense at the pro ranks, what else does he provide?

Werek isn't a phenomenal skater.

Kreider's skating, size, strength will put him in the NHL guaranteed.

But anyway, I feel all of them will make it. They all have the talent, but they all also have the mental make up and work ethic to do it.
That's not what people mean when they call him a wild card. I think all they meant was that they don't know what level of player he'll be.

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That's not what people mean when they call him a wild card. I think all they meant was that they don't know what level of player he'll be.
In that sense I agree.

But he's still as close to a lock to be an NHL player as you can find.

His physical tools are undeniable.

And I'm not talking about his great vision, passing, and shot. Which are all qualities he has.

I'm talking about his strength, speed, size, and work ethic.

He's just a real athlete.

There are obviously guys like Taylor Hall that could end up being superstars.

I'm not expecting Kreider to be a superstar.

I feel he will be a top 6 forward, that will be able to bring any kind of game you ask of him. In any situation PP, PK, 5v5.

But you are right. Weather he translates the offense or not is unknown.

What is known are the physical tools that make him a safe pick.

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In that sense I agree.

But he's still as close to a lock to be an NHL player as you can find.

His physical tools are undeniable.

And I'm not talking about his great vision, passing, and shot. Which are all qualities he has.

I'm talking about his strength, speed, size, and work ethic.

He's just a real athlete.

There are obviously guys like Taylor Hall that could end up being superstars.

I'm not expecting Kreider to be a superstar.

I feel he will be a top 6 forward, that will be able to bring any kind of game you ask of him. In any situation PP, PK, 5v5.

But you are right. Weather he translates the offense or not is unknown.

What is known are the physical tools that make him a safe pick.
I couldn't agree more. Clearly there are still some question about what kind of offensive game he will bring at the NHL level, but his physical and mental abilities make him as close to an NHL lock as can be found in the college ranks.

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Dube and Brendl have nothing to do with Kreider. Nothing.

Kreider isn't a prospect hoping to get by on skill alone.

He has a high compete level. A ton of work ethic. And he's a physical specimen.

Not sure what's so hard to get about it.

An 18 year old that's 6-2, 205 lbs, skates like Pavel Bure, and hits like Dion Phaneuf.

If his offensive skills (which he does have) don't translate, he's STILL an NHL player because of his physical tools.
First off I agree with you in thinking Kreider is a NHL player. His physical tools are terrific.

I as well am very high on Chris Kreider, and agree he is one of the better skaters I have seen at his level. (Reminds me of Mike Gartner) Bure was one of the best pure skaters the game has ever seen due to unreal athleticism and agility also.
He is a physical player/hitter and initiates contact, but Phaneuf at 18 was a devastating open ice hitter.

I just think we need to temper our expectations/enthusiasm a tiny bit, alot can and will change in the next few years.


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I think people are waaaaaaaaaay overanalyzing Clarke's comments.

My guess is that he knows he's on TV where all the "normal" fans watch, so he's cautious of setting expectations too high - thus setting these kids up for the Poti treatment if they don't immediately start performing as first liners when they see their first ice at MSG. At other times, he's been much more effusive in praise, but not when speaking to NY area cameras.
Not true. Clarke has repeatedly pegged Anisimov as a 3rd liner, whether he's talking to the NY media, Hartford media, NHL Network or HF. Meanwhile he's raved about guys like DZ, Stepan and Grachev equally regardless of outlet.
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Dube and Brendl have nothing to do with Kreider. Nothing.

Kreider isn't a prospect hoping to get by on skill alone.

He has a high compete level. A ton of work ethic. And he's a physical specimen.

Not sure what's so hard to get about it.

An 18 year old that's 6-2, 205 lbs, skates like Pavel Bure, and hits like Dion Phaneuf.

If his offensive skills (which he does have) don't translate, he's STILL an NHL player because of his physical tools.
Where did your sense of reality go?

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Where did your sense of reality go?
He exagarrated a little bit, but he made his point - he has all tools he needs. And if he develops all of them, he'll be a superstar. If not, he'll be a solid second or an excellent third liner.

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Not true. Clarke has repeatedly pegged Anisimov as a 3rd liner, whether he's talking to the NY media, Hartford media, NHL Network or HF. Meanwhile he's raved about guys like DZ, Stepan and Grachev equally regardless of outlet.
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Right. But his comments last night were directed primarily at the recent forward draftees - and the kids who played in the WJC in particular. Those I know he has raved about elsewhere, despite the fact that he tempered expectations last night. So my take is that he sets the bar low for the MSG cameras, while speaking his real opinions more accurately in other venues. It may just be that his real opinion of AA is that his upside is that of a 3rd liner (for the record, I disagree).

Honestly, I don't even recall if he mentioned Artem last night, and if he did, it was as an aside. I fear you read my post through your well documented Anisimov colored glasses, Squish.

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The Rangers tried to practice today at Fenway but

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The Blueshirts, who face the Bruins here tomorrow afternoon, had requested about a half-hour of outdoor ice time early this afternoon, prior to the Hockey East outdoor doubleheader at Fenway commencing at 4 with a women’s game between UNH and Northeastern before the 7:30 men’s nightcap between BU and BC.

But though NHL ice-making specialist and facilities manager Dan Craig had given his approval — the rink originally made for the Jan. 1 Winter Classic has remained in place through the week for a variety of events — Hockey East ultimately was fearful that the practice would damage the ice surface.

“We’d have loved to have been able to get the Rangers on, but we felt there wouldn’t be enough time to ensure the quality of the ice for the afternoon game,” Hockey East PR director Peter Souris told The Post this morning. “If we only had the night game, there would have been no issue.”
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Where did your sense of reality go?
Clearly its an exaggeration.

I'm making a point.

He can fly, he can hit, he's not going to get bullied due to his strength and size.

His physical tools are a package hard to find.

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He exagarrated a little bit, but he made his point - he has all tools he needs. And if he develops all of them, he'll be a superstar. If not, he'll be a solid second or an excellent third liner.
Yes, thank you.

Although, not superstar, but star of the team, yes.

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IMO, he has 40 goal, 85-90 point potential.

His floor is 20 goal, 40 point Callahan/Dubinsky-esque production.

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Fenway is empty for the women's game-Northeastern-UNH. Some cute girls on the both teams. It's snowing.

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Snow, cute girls, hockey - no crowd? Now thats a crime !

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