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01-09-2010, 12:07 PM
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Zherdev > Kotalik
One lazy player over another

Zherdev is better... but who cares? Neither of these players make or break a team

I don't even hate Zherdev. I liked him when we got him when he was actually doing something for this team. He then proceeded to disappear for 40 games

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01-09-2010, 12:22 PM
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looks like he is having fun in the mother country in that soft non checking league forgetttboooout him

good riddance

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And... Orpik hip checks him into the boards!!!!

Only in the Russian league.
at what point on that play would Orpik have hip checked him into the boards?

I'm sorry, but did either of you see Sean Avery's "spin-o-rama" the other night? I guess that defenseman was just a Russian import. Bobby Ryan on Peter Harrold?

bigger ice surface leads to more opportunity for skilled skaters. Talk to guys who have played at a high level on both and there are pros and cons to both. Andy Sutton probably would not have a job if the roles were reversed.

Great goal by Zherdev. The kid has the talent to pull that kind of play off in the NHL, but the problem was never in his legs or hands.

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01-09-2010, 12:30 PM
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Del Zotto > Zherdev

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01-09-2010, 12:40 PM
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One lazy player over another

Zherdev is better... but who cares? Neither of these players make or break a team

I don't even hate Zherdev. I liked him when we got him when he was actually doing something for this team. He then proceeded to disappear for 40 games
Kotalik has already made more boneheaded plays than Zherdev ever did while he was here.

But yeah he's gone and he won't come back, so I don't really care either...

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01-09-2010, 12:52 PM
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Okay, let's set the record straight for the umpteenth time:

The Rangers and Zherdev went to arbitration. The rules of arbitration are that you ask for as much as you think you can get away with and the team goes as far as they reasonably can in the other direction. The arbitrator then splits the difference. So the Rangers offered $3.25MM and Zherdev asked for $4.5MM. The arbitrator split the difference and awarded $3.9MM. Odds are the two sides could have met at this price for one year on their own, but Zherdev wanted multiple years and Slats wanted a discount because he disappeared in the playoffs.

Regardless, the Rangers could have accepted that offer and they'd have Nik this year, for one year, at that price. Which is less than a million more than they're paying Ales Kotalik who has been downright GAWDAWFUL for the last 30 games (basically starting right after I posted that I was eating crow on the signing). And we're burdened with him for another two years.

How anyone could say at this point that you'd rather have Kotalik for 3 years as opposed to Zherdev for only 30% more and only one year...

We lost to the Caps. Zherdev played terribly in the series. Rangers fans need scapegoats. Hence the Zherdev hate.

Good ol' hard work and effort only gets you so far without talent. This team is SEVERELY lacking talent among the forward ranks. We could really use Zherdev - period. (Especially if it also meant getting rid of Kotalik who just gave up yet another breakaway with a turnover from the point on the PP as I was typing this).

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01-09-2010, 12:55 PM
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Yep and Zherdev is the real agitator this team needs too right?
OK? Where did agitator come from? Wasn't even in the conversation. And for a second stint of argument--if Avery's such a good agitator, where has he been all season? I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it help the team one bit.

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Little Nik didn't want 3.25 which is what forced Sather's hand in acquiring Kotalik. He made his own bed here lets be honest.
If you recall correctly, you'll remember that when nobody else wanted to touch Zherdev's demands, him and his agent came crawling back to Sather in search of his QO that was originally offered. We declined.

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01-09-2010, 12:59 PM
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How anyone could say at this point that you'd rather have Kotalik for 3 years as opposed to Zherdev for only 30% more and only one year...
Rangers PP with Zherdev: 13.9 %
Rangers PP with Kotalik: 19.9 %

I liked watching Zherdev's occasional brilliance. He's still not worth 4+ million dollars.

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01-09-2010, 01:30 PM
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Ohhh, he led the team in points!!! OMG. The Rangers should have given him 5 years at 6 million dollars! He's is soooo uber good....look at his Youtube highlights! Never mind the fact that he pulled a Houdini in the playoffs and barely showed up down the stretch. Just the kind of guy we want around!!!
First off,

It was 4 mil on a ONE YEAR DEAL, awarded in arbitration.

vs.

Kotalik at 3 years, 9 mil.

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01-09-2010, 01:31 PM
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Rangers PP with Zherdev: 13.9 %
Rangers PP with Kotalik: 19.9 %

I liked watching Zherdev's occasional brilliance. He's still not worth 4+ million dollars.
Rangers PP with Zherdev 13.9%.... without Gaborik and Del Zotto.

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01-09-2010, 01:41 PM
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Rangers PP with Zherdev 13.9%.... without Gaborik and Del Zotto.
Yeah, agreed, but Kotalik is a factor on the PP.

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Yeah, agreed, but Kotalik is a factor on the PP.
In what? Producing SH Chances against?

Kotalik's play has been highly inconsistent and sloppy since mid-November.

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01-09-2010, 01:46 PM
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zherdev was one of my favorite nhl players when he played for Columbus blue jackets...

For him to come to our team and then leave for the khl really killed me...

We could only hope that if he ever comes back to the nhl, sathers will try to get his ass.

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In what? Producing SH Chances against?

Kotalik's play has been highly inconsistent and sloppy since mid-November.
Exactly.

Kotalik's a ****house.

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01-09-2010, 02:09 PM
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sick goal. If some money (i.e. rozy) gets moved in the offseason, would anyone be opposed to him at $3Mill? I would have to think that it would go through glen's mind, especially if Nik feels like he has something left to prove in the NHL, as he indicated in interviews last offseason.

At the same time Z will be a UFA so he can sign with whoever, and he may not want to return to the team that snubbed him. I'm confident he's returning to the NHL next year and I'm looking forward to it, say what you want but the guy is an exciting player, as evidenced by that clip.

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01-09-2010, 02:14 PM
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In what? Producing SH Chances against?

Kotalik's play has been highly inconsistent and sloppy since mid-November.
I don't want to turn this into a Kotalik thread.

I don't want Zherdev at $4 million at all. Period.

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01-09-2010, 02:19 PM
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First off,

It was 4 mil on a ONE YEAR DEAL, awarded in arbitration.

vs.

Kotalik at 3 years, 9 mil.
Great, so the Rangers would have to go through the same rigmarole next offseason? Zherdev does this sort of thing every time his contract is up. He has a lot of skill and occasionally would look like a superstar, but no thanks.

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That spin move would have resulted in a turnover in the NHL. It was really a dumb play. You dont make moves like that in the neutral zone in the NHL. Sick Goal. Dumb play.
This goal was a good example of the plus-side of having the big ice. It gives good skaters and stickhandlers more space to make moves like that. The downside to the big ice is that it leads to highly-coached defensive systems and fewer bad-angle and off-the-fly shots.

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Great goal by Zherdev. The kid has the talent to pull that kind of play off in the NHL, but the problem was never in his legs or hands.
This. He's got some sick talent, no doubt, but you can't be great once in a while and ask for that kind of money. If you want to get paid like a star you should play like a star, especially when everyone knows that you have the skill required. The avery comparison is rediculous, WE pay him 2 million, how much the stars play him isn't our decision or concern and again his role isn't to score goals. Z can't agitate like Avery just like Avery can't score like Z. They're totally different players. I miss Zherdev on the roster, and the prospect of him and Gaborik together is exciting, but its his fault he's not here, nobody elses.

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Z would've been far better on the other wing of Gabby than anyone else we have. And he would've played much better than Gabby.

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Z would've been far better on the other wing of Gabby than anyone else we have. And he would've played much better than Gabby.
Dubi looks pretty good to me right now.

Z would play better than Gabby? Typo or sarcasm?

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Oh boy.
Must not be the playoffs yet

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still dont know how Zherdev wasnt worth the money being our scoring and points leader last year (if im wrong then im wrong by a goal or 2).

But then we pay Kotalik 3 mil for 3 years.

Zherdev 3 years @ 3.9 >>>>>>>>>>> Kotalik 3 years @ 3

Lets be honest here.
so true. the only thing Kotalik brings to this team is a booming shot from the point but where he had 12 points with 9 on the powerplay in the first 12 games, he's had only 3 & 2 in the last 12. 7 & 5 in the games games between. $3M for a guy who should honestly only be playing on the PP? Give me Zherdev and Orr back! Heck, I want Korpikoski back while we're at it.

Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-Zherdev
Avery-Drury-Callahan
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It's good to see Zherdev's landed on his feet. I liked him here, and I didn't think his performance in the playoffs was for lack of effort.

Wish we would've kept him here, but what can you do?

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This. He's got some sick talent, no doubt, but you can't be great once in a while and ask for that kind of money.
Isn't that exactly what Kotalik did?

$9million(3 per) for a guy that pretty much scores exclusively on the powerplay, and goes on horrible hot and cold streaks.

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How many points against the Caps when it counted last year in 7 games?

Right. We should've given him 4 million + for a pretty goal against the Hurricanes.
Even with as badly as the team played in games 5-6 the series wound up being winner take all in game 7. Take a look at the box and you tell me who answered the bell.

Do you really want to go there? Have you analyzed the ATOI in the playoffs and what your team leaders provided with their playing time? I will make it easy for you. Pick 4 forward you think played the best in the Caps series. Any 4. Actually, just pick from the "top 6" forward on the team. But you must support your picks with facts, not your perception of the drivel you've read on this forum.

I admit that Z provided Zero in his first playoffs. Not argument there. So that aside, you tell me who you feel produced in the 7 game series and I will give you my feedback. If you're parroting what others on this forum has thrown out there then you are whistling out your hind quarters.

You have taken a comment out of context to bash a player that is not even on the team any longer. The issue centered on a player that would be the 2nd best skater on the team lacking secondary scoring. The Zherdev issue as been beaten to death. Le it go.

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