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01-10-2010, 11:45 AM
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I'd love to trade his contract away but he hasnt been bad enough to send down. In fact he doesnt really hurt the team on the ice, just hurts the franchise off the ice in terms of cap flexibility. But that is their fault and not his.

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01-10-2010, 11:47 AM
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They would not eat a 3.25 cap hit on re-entry if they were actually to demote him.

If he were demoted that's the end of his career in the NHL, and the rangers would eat the salary.[/QUOTE]

Redden is a NHL D man, His contract sucks but he is not useless

If the TB lightning and other teams buy out players and take cap hits then the Rangers would do the same if it came down to it

what I am saying is a team out there would likely claim him on re-entry so if he is sent to Hartford he would get picked up on re-call

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01-10-2010, 11:47 AM
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No way this goes down.

No way. He'd be traded before he got sent down.
He has a no-trade clause (Except for a list of like 8 teams).

And who's going to want him?

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01-10-2010, 11:49 AM
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Too good to be true.

Even if he's played better of late... if you can erase that huge mistake (Gomez erased... Drury, Rozi, Kotalik still hurting us) you should.

I'm not saying this is the best way to erase it... it just might be the only way.

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01-10-2010, 12:03 PM
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They would not eat a 3.25 cap hit on re-entry if they were actually to demote him.

If he were demoted that's the end of his career in the NHL, and the rangers would eat the salary.[/QUOTE]

I say "A" bury him in the minors Dolan can eat the contract.

'B" worst case (IF) he gets claimed on re-entry waivers and we have to eat 3.25 million the next 4 years better then paying him 6.5 million for the same span of time.

At least we would have another 3.25 million to spend for our cap sitution.

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01-10-2010, 12:11 PM
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He had a decent game last game and was pretty good against Atlanta. Before that, he's been terrible since his injury. I don't know what to think of the guy this year. Started off the year great. Got injured and played like absolute ass. Maybe he's finally healed and we'll see more solid D from the guy, but who really knows?

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01-10-2010, 12:14 PM
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We all wish.

But remember, Garrioch is the Eklund of Canada.

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01-10-2010, 12:33 PM
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it's true, they can't do it. Bottom line is they would have to eat half the price unless they want to acquire something like Jeff Finger and Jason Blake for him. It's either crap for crap or a 3.25 cap hit on re-entry

Honestly is that bad if they say lose Redden on Re-entry and play the heck out of the kids for the next few yrs?. ,DZ. Gilroy, McD,Sangs...........they can all be paid cheap till the cap hit is gone. I figure Girardi is gone due to the cap as he will be due a raise and Staal is going no where

to be honest

Its not a smart move in the long run.... imo
I'm not sure why people don't get that if they send him down he's not being recalled this season. Thus, there is nothing to eat.

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01-10-2010, 12:33 PM
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Garroich is a rumor-monger! But I definately question his scources, and wonder if they aren;t anything more than fans posting on message boards.
A rumor manufacturer might be a more appropriate description. I see stuff in his columns that I never see anywhere else. None of it ever comes true.

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01-10-2010, 12:36 PM
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I doubt this is going to happen. Here's what management might be thinking however. Remember when he got benched? He freaked out, got into a yelling fight with Torts. That tells me he's a very proud guy. Maybe they're thinking if they send him to Hartford he would retire (removing his contract from the books), as he is too proud to play in the AHL. That would be awesome. One can always dream...

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01-10-2010, 12:40 PM
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Garrioch is terrible, and I'd be stunned if this actually happened.

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01-10-2010, 12:41 PM
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One can always dream...
I have nothing personal against Redden. By all accounts he's a good guy. But the sooner he is off the squad the better for all of us.

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01-10-2010, 01:10 PM
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Quick question about the re-entry waiver rule. Does it apply only to the season in which the guy gets sent down, or is it for the duration of his contract or for as long as he's with the organization?

As much as we all hate the guy because of this contract, what if we send him down and he actually plays well? What if Girardi or Staal get hurt and miss a lot of time? What if we go into next season and actually think Redden should be called back up? What if Dolan says he doesn't want to pay a minor leaguer $6 million and puts pressure on Sather to call him back up? If we waive him it seems like there's a handful of situations where we might actually want the guy back on our roster at some point. At that point there's a serious risk of another team claiming him for $3 million, and then we're stuck paying him $3 million for another couple of years. Being on the hook for that amount for a couple years might actually be worse for us than just keeping him on the team as a 3rd pairing player.

So does that risk only apply for the rest of this season, or for the rest of Redden's contract?

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01-10-2010, 01:12 PM
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They would do this in a second if the opportunity was there to trade for a star player.
Don't think that some kind of unwritten veteran etiquette would ever get in the way.

Is that type of deal in the works... who knows (Kovalchuk?).

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01-10-2010, 01:17 PM
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Quick question about the re-entry waiver rule. Does it apply only to the season in which the guy gets sent down, or is it for the duration of his contract or for as long as he's with the organization?
He would have to come back on reentry only for the balance of the season he is sent down. He could start next year with NYR without going through reentry. Of course, he then could be sent down again if they chose.

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01-10-2010, 01:26 PM
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Why?
Why would it?

I'd like to see it, though, so we can open up some space specifically for Kovalchuk. And only for that reason, unless Sather tries to spice things up by adding a first round pick along with Redden just to get rid of his contract straight up, and picking a nice defensman. Not too cheap and not too expensive.

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01-10-2010, 01:31 PM
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If the Rangers were going to make this move,they would have made it in December. The Olympic roster freeze is five weeks away and it ends three days before the trading deadline. Not much time remaining in the 2009-10 season to make moves.

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01-10-2010, 01:42 PM
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This would be the effective end of Red's NHL career. He won't be able to spend 3.5 years in the minors, then come back as a 36-year-old. He might attempt a try-out contract to join someone as a #6-7 defenseman for the league minimum, but even that is as likely to fail as to succeed at that point.

Because of the stupid NHLPA rules not allowing him to lower his salary, he can't even do anything to help his situation.

There's a good chance that he'd be willing to drop his salary a couple million a year to stay with the Rangers or be moved to another NHL team.

I would gladly give someone a second rounder to take Redden off our hands. He stays in the NHL and we don't have a massive contract in the minors.

Either way, he needs to be moved off the team to get a spot for Heineken who will bolt at the end of the season unless he gets an NHL spot.

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01-10-2010, 01:45 PM
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Why now? We planning on trying to aquire Kovalchuk?

Its not like he has played poorly enough to justify sending him down for anything other than cap reasons.


Also... Cant we get strung up for 3.25 mil if he gets claimed by somebody?
Only on re-entry waivers does this happen.

As far as why send Red down now, I think keeping Heineken is important. I think the kid is a real asset and has a good chance of being a solid 4-5 blueliner.

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01-10-2010, 01:50 PM
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Whether or not it happens this year it's going to happen eventually. I think it's unlikely that he'll be on the 2010-11 team let alone four years from now when his contract will be officially over. It's just too much cap space for what he brings. And the Rangers won't pick up half the tab for someone else. If they send him down they'll bury him.

On what it means to do it now would free up about $3 mil of cap space this year--if they're looking to add a big ticket player for a playoff run that pretty much does the trick for what's left of this season. As for how prospective UFA's might see it--the Rangers need to be more selective anyway.

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If the Rangers were going to make this move,they would have made it in December. The Olympic roster freeze is five weeks away and it ends three days before the trading deadline. Not much time remaining in the 2009-10 season to make moves.
Man, there will be some wild three days. GMs will be talking all throughout the Olympic break, and rather than spreading the end of the season deals over a month, on the first day post freeze, the flood gates will just burst with a bunch of trade everyone one of those 3 days.

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If the Rangers were going to make this move,they would have made it in December. The Olympic roster freeze is five weeks away and it ends three days before the trading deadline. Not much time remaining in the 2009-10 season to make moves.
I disagree. They make this move soon because we are getting closer to the deadline when trades are actually made. Nothing was ever going to happen in December. Rangers are handcuffed from improving the team with Rozy's and Redden's salaries at the deadline and in the summer. They need to get the hell off the team.

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01-10-2010, 02:07 PM
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If they do this I would imagine that Kovi would be part of (if not THE) the reason.

Can't imgine them pulling this kind of trigger just to have the "space"... Slats would be spending it.

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Redden hasn't seemed that bad because he hasn't been getting that much ice time IMO. Maybe he's servicable, and I've been the first to defend him, but I'm tired of him being in the lineup. If we got rid of him I'm sure there are other veteran options out there not only on the trade block that would come for cheap but maybe even free agency/the waiver wire.

It won't surprise me to see him sent down at some point, especially before the trade deadline, and then bought out at the end of the year.

Being sent down to the minors is most likely not the end of Redden's NHL career, it's certainly the end of playing with the Rangers though.

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