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01-10-2010, 07:33 PM
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Not for the amount that his contract was signed for.
Kessel makes 4.5 mill/year.
For a group 2 UFA, the compensation is.

Over $4.0 million to $5.0 million - Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Those numbers aren't accurate... to sign Kessel at his contract as an RFA last off season would have cost a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

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It's ron wilsons fault. Publically bashing the guy, destroying his confidence. You don't make an example of that type of guy. Kessel can't handle that criticism.
It's Ron Wilson's fault? It took Kessel getting 1 point in about 10 games before he resorted to calling him out on public.

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01-11-2010, 11:24 AM
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Those numbers aren't accurate... to sign Kessel at his contract as an RFA last off season would have cost a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Yes my understanding is that it would ahve been the same compensation as the Penenr offersheet as Penners contract was worth an average of 4.25 a year.

Also with this leafs deal didn't they make a move to get one of their own picks back in case they made an offersheet?

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A few points.


1.) Kessel is 21 years old
2.) It was expected, and publicly stated that Boston would match any reasonable offer sheet.
3.) The compensation (2 1sts + 2nd) is in line with a solid, young first line player with a lot of upside. There aren't many compareables because players like this don't get traded very often, but this is certainly not 'superstar' compensation. I don't think you'd see a player like: getzlaf, Perry, Nash, Kovalchuk etc.. traded for something similar, it would be much more. these are players I would consider "superstars".
4.) Salary-wise, again, the compensation is not "superstar" money, but dependable 1st line, strong 2nd line money.
5.) Burke did not expect either pick to be in the top 5. It is still undetermined how high the pick(s) will be


Regardless of how the media is labelling him, no other signs point to him being a "superstar" and no such claim was made by ayone other than those same media types, some overzealous Leafs fans that were excited about having a first line player again, and then the rabid fans of other team calling them out on it. Everything, including his trade value and monetary compensation is in line with what he is: a solid, young 1st line player with a lot of upside. To call the trade overpayment is premature, and conveniently timed, given his recent slump. Whether it was the correct move for the future, and present of the Toronto Maple Leafs is debateable, and probably won't be known for a number of years.

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Good points DaveLeafFan.

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1.) Kessel is 21 years old
Born October 2, 1987, making him 21 the day the 2009-2010 season started, and 22 the day after.

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2.) It was expected, and publicly stated that Boston would match any reasonable offer sheet.
Perhaps they said as much, but so did Brian Burke on Penner. In the end, Kessel signed for 5.4 mil cap hit. If 5.4 is unreasonable, I think you have to conclude they'd walk away. If 5.4 is reasonable, why didn't Kessel accept that money from the Bruins? Or are you going to argue Kessel took a TML discount instead of staying in Boston for a run at a cup?

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3.) The compensation (2 1sts + 2nd) is in line with a solid, young first line player with a lot of upside.
OK, say we agree that it is a good deal. Burke would have gotten a BETTER deal if he'd have offered the 27 mil offer sheet, as it would have saved a 1st and given up a 3rd. This is one of the main points in this thread.

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5.) Burke did not expect either pick to be in the top 5. It is still undetermined how high the pick(s) will be
Yes, the pick might not be top five but right now its a decent bet. And I do agree with you that Burke did not evaluate his team well.

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