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01-12-2010, 08:38 AM
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Boston was without Bergeron for 1.5 games (got hurt in the 2nd period in NY) and without Savard for the last game.
NYR was without Prospal for both and had a waiver claim playing in his spot.

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01-12-2010, 02:40 PM
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Keep reading about a reasonable contract to keep Girardi who is 1 year away from group III UFA.

Ron Hainsey got 5 years/$22.5 million($4.5 million cap hit)two years ago and Johnny Oduya got 3 years/$10.5 million($3.5 million)last summer.Oduya has the same agent as Girardi. Don Meehan.

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01-12-2010, 02:56 PM
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Keep reading about a reasonable contract to keep Girardi who is 1 year away from group III UFA.

Ron Hainsey got 5 years/$22.5 million($4.5 million cap hit)two years ago and Johnny Oduya got 3 years/$10.5 million($3.5 million)last summer.Oduya has the same agent as Girardi. Don Meehan.
If Girardi expects anywhere near those numbers, we should cut ties ASAP.

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01-12-2010, 03:04 PM
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First for Girardi.
Second and sixth for Prospal.
Third and seventh for Higgins.
Third for Rosie. (2 years, $7 left, which is better than any UFA would be)
Fourth for Kotalik.
Fifth for Brash.

This would give us two picks in every round. Pipe dream? Yes, definitely. Would this help the team big-time long term? Absolutely.

With 14 picks, Slats would be able to take more high-risk stabs at players with potentially high-return. If we wound up with another pair like Dubi and Callahan from the 2010 draft, we would be in beautiful shape by mid-decade to win it all.
I don't think anyone would give a bag of pucks for brashear.

We'd have to pay someone to take him off our hands.

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01-12-2010, 03:09 PM
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I don't think anyone would give a bag of pucks for brashear.

We'd have to pay someone to take him off our hands.
Not to mention noones giving up a first rounder for an undrafted borderline 2nd pairing defenseman in Dan Girardi.

We might be able to fetch a 2nd rounder for Prospal. Thats a deal Sather should be making whether we are in contention or not.

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01-12-2010, 03:20 PM
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We could probably get a 2nd rounder each for both Prospal and Girardi, and a second or a third for Higgins. Imagine we have 2 or 3 second round picks, and we're picking like, 17th, in the draft or something. Someone decent slips a few spots, and it's the 10th or 11th pick or something like that. That's where you love to have those extra picks. You have a deep system with a lot of good role players, but you're lacking top-end talent. That's where you move up.

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01-12-2010, 03:30 PM
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We could probably get a 2nd rounder each for both Prospal and Girardi, and a second or a third for Higgins. Imagine we have 2 or 3 second round picks, and we're picking like, 17th, in the draft or something. Someone decent slips a few spots, and it's the 10th or 11th pick or something like that. That's where you love to have those extra picks. You have a deep system with a lot of good role players, but you're lacking top-end talent. That's where you move up.
I think we will pick in that ballpark to begin with. To move 5-6 spots up from 11 will cost much more than that from 17. 17 is a PO team spot.

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01-12-2010, 03:37 PM
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If Girardi expects anywhere near those numbers, we should cut ties ASAP.
Why wouldn't Meehan expect to get Oduya's $3.5 million(at the very least)for his other client in Girardi?Who is a better player?

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01-12-2010, 04:43 PM
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If Girardi expects anywhere near those numbers, we should cut ties ASAP.
I disagree, if he expects that kind of money and the Rangers think he can get it, they should keep him. He is making 1.55M this season, which would make his qualifying offer 1.7M. You offer him 1.7 and he gets a better offer, he falls into the compensation scale below. So you're getting no worse than a second round pick for him. I truly don't see him getting that much more, but if you wanted to push the envelope and offer him 3,013,435, you force anyone interested into a first and a third.
OFFER
COMPENSATION
$994,433 or below None
Over $994,433 to $1,506,716
Third-round choice
Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 First-round and third-round choice
Over $4,520,150 to $6,026,867 First-round, second-round and third-round choice
Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $7,533,584 Four first-round choices

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01-12-2010, 05:02 PM
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I disagree, if he expects that kind of money and the Rangers think he can get it, they should keep him. He is making 1.55M this season, which would make his qualifying offer 1.7M. You offer him 1.7 and he gets a better offer, he falls into the compensation scale below. So you're getting no worse than a second round pick for him. I truly don't see him getting that much more, but if you wanted to push the envelope and offer him 3,013,435, you force anyone interested into a first and a third.
OFFER
COMPENSATION
$994,433 or below None
Over $994,433 to $1,506,716
Third-round choice
Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 First-round and third-round choice
Over $4,520,150 to $6,026,867 First-round, second-round and third-round choice
Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $7,533,584 Four first-round choices
If Glen offers him $1.7 million, Girardi will undoubtedly take him to arbitration. And I'm pretty sure a player going to arbitration cannot sign an offer sheet by another team.

I think Sather may trade Girardi if he elects arbitration, much like he did with Dominic Moore. Girardi may get around $3 - $3.5 million in arbitration, and if Sather doesn't want to pay him that amount, he's better off trying to get something in return for him rather than walking away from the arbitration award and getting nothing.

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01-12-2010, 05:09 PM
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Great article. Exactly how I feel. Playoffs mean nothing this year since we ain't making any noise. Load up for next year and beyond...when we actually have a shot at winning.

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01-12-2010, 05:32 PM
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Great article. Exactly how I feel. Playoffs mean nothing this year since we ain't making any noise. Load up for next year and beyond...when we actually have a shot at winning.
There's this strange consensus that making the playoffs is an accomplishment in itself (funny since it's nothing exceptional, 50% of NHL teams make it).
It's the same mentality that praises making it to OT during the regular season.

You play hockey in the playoffs to win the cup, and if you don't have the tools needed to realistically contend then you accept that and focus on rebuilding and making the team better for next year.
Buying at the deadline and (knowing Sather, especially) trading away draft picks/prospects for a rental player is not worth it for the first round playoff experience gained by the young players on the team.

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01-12-2010, 05:37 PM
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There's this strange consensus that making the playoffs is an accomplishment in itself (funny since it's nothing exceptional, 50% of NHL teams make it).
It's the same mentality that praises making it to OT during the regular season.

You play hockey in the playoffs to win the cup, and if you don't have the tools needed to realistically contend then you accept that and focus on rebuilding and making the team better for next year.
Buying at the deadline and (knowing Sather, especially) trading away draft picks/prospects for a rental player is not worth it for the first round playoff experience gained by the young players on the team.
none of the prospects that Sather has traded were players you could build around or were really of any consequence. And generally when he trades kids its because they have already busted, or hes trying to get an even better prospect out of it.

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01-12-2010, 05:40 PM
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none of the prospects that Sather has traded were players you could build around or were really of any consequence. And generally when he trades kids its because they have already busted, or hes trying to get an even better prospect out of it.
I don't know, I'm getting a bad feeling about the Kovalchuk sweepstakes.
Especially if this positive streak continues into late January.
It just seems to have Sather written all over it.

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01-12-2010, 05:50 PM
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I don't know, I'm getting a bad feeling about the Kovalchuk sweepstakes.
Especially if this positive streak continues into late January.
It just seems to have Sather written all over it.
Yeah but he has to clear cap space to get him.

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01-12-2010, 05:56 PM
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Yeah but he has to clear cap space to get him.
I think Redden will be waived if his contract is all that's standing in the way of Kovalchuk coming to NY.

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01-12-2010, 09:17 PM
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Then again, Brenden Witt was traded for a first round pick, and I thought that was incredibly ******** at the time

Not that I think Girardi would get the same return...

But Sather isn't mortgaging the future by not trading these guys, and he's not ignoring future development of the team by not trading players for mediocre draft picks (lets be honest, anything outside of the first round is a mediocre draft pick because you have no idea what you're going to get).

That crossed my mind too, & it was a real head scrather. I doubt lighting strikes twice.

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01-13-2010, 07:10 AM
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I disagree, if he expects that kind of money and the Rangers think he can get it, they should keep him. He is making 1.55M this season, which would make his qualifying offer 1.7M. You offer him 1.7 and he gets a better offer, he falls into the compensation scale below. So you're getting no worse than a second round pick for him. I truly don't see him getting that much more, but if you wanted to push the envelope and offer him 3,013,435, you force anyone interested into a first and a third.
OFFER
COMPENSATION
$994,433 or below None
Over $994,433 to $1,506,716
Third-round choice
Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 First-round and third-round choice
Over $4,520,150 to $6,026,867 First-round, second-round and third-round choice
Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $7,533,584 Four first-round choices
Giardi's QO is his salary($1.6 million)

Arbitration eligible.

Why are you bringing up compensation for group II's? You think Girardi is going to receive an offer sheet?

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01-13-2010, 10:53 AM
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Why wouldn't Meehan expect to get Oduya's $3.5 million(at the very least)for his other client in Girardi?Who is a better player?
To me, Oduya is the better player. Better defensive capability, better skating and a better crease clearer. Girardi might have better offensive stats, but defense for a defenseman is more important. Oduya made the Swedish olympic team, Girardi did not make the American team.

Granted, Girardi is younger, but comparing them right now, there's no question.


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01-13-2010, 10:59 AM
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What did we get last time we were sellers? Betts and Dubinski. That's it. If I am Dolan, I'd say no to Slats. Enough Immonens and Balejs.

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To me, Oduya is the better player. Better defensive capability, better skating and a better crease clearer. Girardi might have better offensive stats, but defense for a defenseman is more important. Oduya made the Swedish olympic team, Girardi did not make the American team.

Granted, Girardi is younger, but comparing them right now, there's no question.
Girardi would have made the Swiss Olympic team. They're pretty even. And Oduya's contract (which does buy out two free agent years) is probably not far off. I liked Tyutin's third contract -- 4 years at $2.75MM which included a couple of free agent years.

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01-13-2010, 11:57 AM
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Rentals

I know it is a bit early to start talking about some of the rental players who will be available but I thought it may start up soon so I thought this thread could be used as a place for us to speculate as to who may be available come the deadline and who Sather will try to get(because at this point I see the Rangers as buyers).

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01-13-2010, 11:58 AM
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Its pretty obvious that this team still needs offensive help. Guys like Brashear and Avery have to be scratched and if the team wants a more effective playoff run than last year there needs to be scoring added to the lineup.

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SO, looking at the standings, the teams that will most likely be sellers are:

Edmonton
Columbus
St. Louis
Florida
Carolina
Toronto

Interested in anyone from those teams?

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01-13-2010, 12:02 PM
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Its pretty obvious that this team still needs offensive help. Guys like Brashear and Avery have to be scratched and if the team wants a more effective playoff run than last year there needs to be scoring added to the lineup.
Scratch Avery over Kotalik or Lisin or even Higgins? If we're looking for offensive help, that doesn't make sense to me.

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