Just a thought. Supposedly Phaneuf is the cause for some off-ice turmoil in the Calgary dressing room which got me to thinking. Phaneuf is an elite offensive d-man who could fill the shoes of Bouw. So how bout:
Horton 7-15-22pts +3 $4.0mil 4 year contract
Ballard 1-7-8pts +1 $4.2mil 6 year contract
Olesz 6-6-12pts -7 $3.125mil 5 year contract
Total contracts $11.325 mil
For
Phaneuf 6-7-13pts +5 $6.5mil 5 year contract
Jokinen 5-15-20pts +2 $5.25 mil 1 year contract
Total contracts $11.750 mil
You're suggesting trading the two players that have been performing close to expectations this year and are greatly improved...Horton and Olesz...for two players currently underperforming and in their coach's doghouse, Phaneuf and Jokinen?
I'd take a risk on Phaneuf, but not for those players - it wouldn't improve the team. Meanwhile, any return to the days of Jokinen is a non-starter for me. This season he's third on the Flames in points...but 3/4ths of those are assists. Tell me there's anyone on the Panthers that will benefit from his presence if he can't score for himself. Especially if we deal Horton. Meanwhile he's also only a +2 on a 17-6-3 team...normally +/- doesn't mean much, but we know better with Olli. We also know he'll disappear when the team needs him the most. He's not an elite player - he played like one for ONE season, but has never returned to that form. He's on course for only about 65 points this year, too, playing with the likes of Iginla, who's on pace for closer to 90. Weiss, Horton, and Reinprecht are all on pace for about as many points (Horton actually has 2 more in as many games) as he whom you describe as an "elite" player, and none of them have the benefit of playing with an Iginla-type goal scorer.
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You're suggesting trading the two players that have been performing close to expectations this year and are greatly improved...Horton and Olesz...for two players currently underperforming and in their coach's doghouse, Phaneuf and Jokinen?
I'd take a risk on Phaneuf, but not for those players - it wouldn't improve the team. Meanwhile, any return to the days of Jokinen is a non-starter for me. This season he's third on the Flames in points...but 3/4ths of those are assists. Tell me there's anyone on the Panthers that will benefit from his presence if he can't score for himself. Especially if we deal Horton. Meanwhile he's also only a +2 on a 17-6-3 team...normally +/- doesn't mean much, but we know better with Olli. We also know he'll disappear when the team needs him the most. He's not an elite player - he played like one for ONE season, but has never returned to that form. He's on course for only about 65 points this year, too, playing with the likes of Iginla, who's on pace for closer to 90. Weiss, Horton, and Reinprecht are all on pace for about as many points (Horton actually has 2 more in as many games) as he whom you describe as an "elite" player, and none of them have the benefit of playing with an Iginla-type goal scorer.
You mostly convinced me but I'll throw this out there as a partial rebuke. The main benefits of my proposed trade is getting Phaneuf, who you must admit has to be considered an elite offensive d-man which is important to have with the system DeBoer has installed, and getting out of the long term contracts of Horton, Ballard and Olesz. You would want to do this if you think our core, which is signed long term, can't be the core of a serious Cup Challenging Team. That is very possibly true. Whether Jokinen returns to form or not is really immaterial. His contract expires at the end of the season which would allow you money to pursue players that you think could be important pieces of a contending team. Right now, of the three long term contracts I propose trading, Horton is likely worth it and could be a core player on a contender but you also must admit he does have "issues", but Olesz you have to question if he'll ever score enough to justify his contract and Ballard certainly hasn't played up to his contract this year. So, in summary, you would be trading two long term bad contracts and one good long term contract for one short term bad contract (Jokinen) and one good long term contract at an argueably more hard to fill position, an offensive blueliner.
Well, Hedberg is a UFA in the summer. So if we want him we can sign him then. Atlanta doesn't really have a need for Vokoun either, they have Pavelec and Lehtonen and have to trade one of them eventually.
wb trading vokoun to Dallas, turco is getting older and they have some offensive talent, i would love to get eriksson. idk might be a lil far-fetched but wanted to put it out there
wb trading vokoun to Dallas, turco is getting older and they have some offensive talent, i would love to get eriksson. idk might be a lil far-fetched but wanted to put it out there
do they appear to be the type that just needs a change of scenery. or just doesn't look like they'll improve any further this season
Panthers fans throw me some proposals
an AHLer? a conditional pick? low pick?
Soupy was doing awesome last season on that CPR line, so if he can keep it up, I don't see him being moved. With that being said, and with Matthias waiting to make the big squad full time, Soupy,Kreps and Tarnasky are moveable.
Soupy was doing awesome last season on that CPR line, so if he can keep it up, I don't see him being moved. With that being said, and with Matthias waiting to make the big squad full time, Soupy,Kreps and Tarnasky are moveable.
Why move Horton away from Weiss? That line is a great top line, Booth-Reino-Stillman showed some chemistry before the injuries. I really like Reino and Booth playing together on a line, actually, I think they'll do well for each other.
Really, would like to see us grab Sharp and Barker from Chicago. Leopold could fit in well for Chicago, not sure who we'd send, they can't take back much and it would have to be worth it for Chicago.
A top 6 of Nate, Weiss, Frolik, Reino, Booth, and Sharp could be really solid, imo. Not lights out, but if this is the breakout, how they're going to be from here on out for Nate and Weiss, we could really be a good team going forward.
Good point Laus, but I think at the end of the day it the chemistry would benifit with Horty on the Stillman line. I like the way they play together whenever it happens. Right now Horton is better for the team on the top line, but with speedy Booth back, Horton Stilly and Rhino would be magical and I also think that Frolik Wiess and Booth is just sick! Think of the speed of that line. Though I think it would take time to get Booth up to first line duty.
Really, would like to see us grab Sharp and Barker from Chicago. Leopold could fit in well for Chicago, not sure who we'd send, they can't take back much and it would have to be worth it for Chicago.
A top 6 of Nate, Weiss, Frolik, Reino, Booth, and Sharp could be really solid, imo. Not lights out, but if this is the breakout, how they're going to be from here on out for Nate and Weiss, we could really be a good team going forward.
Dunno, just a thought.
Sharp! That would be awesome! How in the heck are we gonna get him though? Would love to. I don't think anyone would want to leave Chicago. Barker would be great though.
Good point Laus, but I think at the end of the day it the chemistry would benifit with Horty on the Stillman line. I like the way they play together whenever it happens. Right now Horton is better for the team on the top line, but with speedy Booth back, Horton Stilly and Rhino would be magical and I also think that Frolik Wiess and Booth is just sick! Think of the speed of that line. Though I think it would take time to get Booth up to first line duty.
Yeah, I can't agree with that, though, I'm sure we'll see. I think Nate does a lot better with Weiss and I like how Frolik has looked with them. Just my 2 cents, though.
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Sharp! That would be awesome! How in the heck are we gonna get him though? Would love to. I don't think anyone would want to leave Chicago. Barker would be great though.
Dunno, but Chicago needs cap space for next season, so one or two of their top guys will be out. they'll have to settle for picks, good prospects, or solid guys not making too much yet. (Likely a combo)
