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01-14-2010, 09:06 PM
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Is this the most lopsided trade ever?

To Philadelphia Flyers: Eric Lindros

To Quebec Nordiques: Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, a 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, a 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) and $15,000,000 cash.


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The team that won 2 cups after the trade. Pieces from the deal moved around, but in the end all that matters is that Forsberg stayed in Quebec/Colorado and got them 2 championships while Lindros had a few strong seasons in Philly which led to 0 championships.


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After all these years, is there a clear cut winner?
There is; the Colorado Avalanche.


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definitely not. people like to make the trade out as if lindros sucked.

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Nords/Avs definitely won the trade but it isn't the most lopsided ever.

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Nords/Avs definitely won the trade but it isn't the most lopsided ever.
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Cliff Fletcher ripping off the Flames but that just me.

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definitely not. people like to make the trade out as if lindros sucked.
Not really. It stems more from the fact that Forsberg proved to be of equal or greater value than Lindros, and that the Avs got all those other cherries on top of that.

But no, it is not the most lopsided trade ever.

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Depends what one uses for criteria. If it's the respective teams' results, Butch Goring going from LA to NYI, March 1980, for Billy Harris and Dave Lewis, is right up there.

Isles immediately followed with four straight Cups and five straight Finals appearances, with Goring playing a significant role.

Lopsided individual player results, statistically speaking? Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge clearly is in the conversation.

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01-15-2010, 12:30 AM
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Joe Thornton for nothing is the most lopsided trade ever.

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Just about every lopsided trade involves a team that is merely a victim of circumstance so I have a hard time really getting on the GM's who make the occasional bad trade, a lot of them have had to. In terms of talent and immediate return, I think Slava Kozlov for Domink Hasek was the most lopsided trade. Hasek was aging but still playing well and he simply was out of the Sabres price range. Had to make a trade and when the big market teams know that, they can sell you short.

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Most lopsided trade? All-time... how about this one??

The Bruins trade Ken Dryden (yes that Ken Dryden) with Alex Campbell to the Habs for Guy Allen and Paul Reid.

Allen would have three years in the minors (IHL and EHL). Reid never played pro.

Alex Campbell had one year of minor pro.

IIRC Ken Dryden did have some success in the NHL.

Can you imagine the Bruins of the 1970's with Dryden in net? YIKES.

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01-15-2010, 01:42 AM
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Ted Kennedy:
Rights traded to Toronto by Montreal for the rights to Frank Eddolls, September 10, 1943.

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One of the things I find most intreseting about the Lindros trade is that he requested a trade out of Quebec, yet Quebec got the better deal out of the trade.

To my knowledge it is usually the other way around.

Thibault was one of the pieces that landed Patrick Roy in Colorado, not to be forgotten.

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01-15-2010, 04:46 AM
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Penguins Gets:
Samuelsson, Ron Francis and Grant Jennings

Hartford Gets:
John Cullen, Jeff Parker and Zarley Zalapski

Ronny Francis!

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01-15-2010, 07:25 AM
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Most lopsided trade? All-time... how about this one??

The Bruins trade Ken Dryden (yes that Ken Dryden) with Alex Campbell to the Habs for Guy Allen and Paul Reid.

Allen would have three years in the minors (IHL and EHL). Reid never played pro.

Alex Campbell had one year of minor pro.

IIRC Ken Dryden did have some success in the NHL.

Can you imagine the Bruins of the 1970's with Dryden in net? YIKES.
If if Dryden never suits up for the Bruins and instead goes the WHA route, which might well have happened, the Bruins would have at least 2 or 3 more cups if the Habs continue with Vachon, rather than go with Dryden. Vachon loses in 71, 73 and 79 IMO and the Bruins are the most likely beneficiaries.

That's the most lopsided in the Habs favour. The trade to get the 1st rounder that became the Lafleur pick was also quite lopsided. I believe they also traded for the pick that became Larry Robinson. Without those three deals by Pollock, there is no late 70's Habs dynasty. He basically dealt for the 3 best players on that team.

The most lopsided that went against the Habs were the Chelios (top 20 d-man all time) and Roy (top 5 goalie all time) deals. You don't trade all time talents at their peaks and expect not to get squashed.


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01-15-2010, 08:21 AM
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If if Dryden never suits up for the Bruins and instead goes the WHA route, which might well have happened, the Bruins would have at least 2 or 3 more cups if the Habs continue with Vachon, rather than go with Dryden. Vachon loses in 71, 73 and 79 IMO and the Bruins are the most likely beneficiaries.

That's the most lopsided in the Habs favour. The trade to get the 1st rounder that became the Lafleur pick was also quite lopsided. I believe they also traded for the pick that became Larry Robinson. Without those three deals by Pollock, there is no late 70's Habs dynasty. He basically dealt for the 3 best players on that team.

The most lopsided that went against the Habs were the Chelios (top 20 d-man all time) and Roy (top 5 goalie all time) deals. You don't trade all time talents at their peaks and expect not to get squashed.
To me the definition of lopsided is acquiring a future Hall of Fame goaltender (Dryden) and having to give up two players that never even played as much as a shift in the National Hockey League.

Of course, this deal worked because Sam Pollock had more patience, and saw the bigger picture much better than his rival general managers. In time, his patience was rewarded. I would argue (as does Dryden himself) that no other general manager at that time would have allowed Dryden to pursue his education, to the point that while he was stopping the Bruins in the spring of 1971, he was also attending McGill Law school.

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Keep in mind that if Quebec doesn't move the Roy trade never happens and the Avs probably don't win a Cup since they did not have a Cup quality goalie.

I'll add Christer Olsson to Ottawa for Pavol Demitra coming to the Blues.

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Keep in mind that if Quebec doesn't move the Roy trade never happens and the Avs probably don't win a Cup since they did not have a Cup quality goalie.

I'll add Christer Olsson to Ottawa for Pavol Demitra coming to the Blues.
According to S.Savard and M.Aubut, the Habs and Nords almost had a deal involving Lindros and Roy as the principals.

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To Philadelphia Flyers: Eric Lindros

To Quebec Nordiques: Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, a 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, a 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) and $15,000,000 cash.
It would get my vote....second place would be the Roy trade or Gilmour trade

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Not really. It stems more from the fact that Forsberg proved to be of equal or greater value than Lindros, and that the Avs got all those other cherries on top of that.

But no, it is not the most lopsided trade ever.
I still recall Russ Farwell saying that in a couple years Forsberg will make people forget about Lindros....and that he backed out of trade talks when the Nords insisted Forsberg be included. He said he was vetoed by ownership

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According to S.Savard and M.Aubut, the Habs and Nords almost had a deal involving Lindros and Roy as the principals.
No way it would have happened.

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No way it would have happened.
Well it almost did and was almost done, but then the Rangers and Flyers came in with better offers.

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Well it almost did and was almost done, but then the Rangers and Flyers came in with better offers.
The trade never happened. Roy was not being traded from Montreal until the fateful night when he said he wouldn't play for Montreal again and they certainly would not have traded him to the hated intra-province rival.


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