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01-14-2010, 09:38 PM
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Who CARES ABOUT POINTS?...

Teams will score goals...

Where the hell are Calder, Bell and Arnason now???

ABC line, the Hawks former first line.

Yeah... First Line..



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They are terrible players on a terrible team. All that proves is how bad the Hawks were, not how good they were.

50+ points doesn't cut it anymore.

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01-14-2010, 09:42 PM
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I think Mike Cammaleri is a first line center.
he's a winger

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01-14-2010, 09:53 PM
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They are terrible players on a terrible team. All that proves is how bad the Hawks were, not how good they were.

50+ points doesn't cut it anymore.
Thats my point, Madden and Bolland aren't terrible players on a terrible team but the ABC line was terrible but they still got points.

Stats only tell you something if you can read them right..

Toews goes down guess who has to step up?

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01-14-2010, 10:00 PM
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Yeah cuz a centre that isnt among the top 30 in the league posts 75-80 points consistently.
He's considered a #1C now so why complain about what people thought of him in the past. There comes a time when a player becomes a #1C, who cares if it took some people longer to consider him one.

BTW, being a top 30 C in the league doesn't make you a #1C. There is less than 30 #1C in the league IMO.

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01-14-2010, 10:04 PM
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Thats my point
You don't have a point.

If you really think Madden and/or Bolland can be considered #1 C on ANY team in the NHL, you are pretty much the least knowledgable hockey fan I have ever encountered on this site. That says A LOT.

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01-14-2010, 10:12 PM
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You don't have a point.

If you really think Madden and/or Bolland can be considered #1 C on ANY team in the NHL, you are pretty much the least knowledgable hockey fan I have ever encountered on this site. That says A LOT.


If I hadn't read through this whole thread, I would have thought you were exaggerating. Sigh. But I agree 100%.

While a slightly ambiguous term, a first line center is much more than just winning faceoffs. Madden, Bolland, and an awful lot of centers who might skate on a teams top line, are not legit #1 C's.

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01-14-2010, 10:23 PM
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im not sure about buffalo. Roy and Connolly are severely underrated. the problem is the team plays far too defensively for them to (A) get exposed as good-great offensive players and (B) Connolly is never healthy.

Connolly actually average close to 75-80 points on average over the last couple years, except it doesnt show up on his stat sheet cause he's injury prone.

If buffalo wanted to drop Connolly, and he could stay REMOTELY CLOSE to healthy, Id move Geno to RW in a freaking heartbeat
Connolly finally seems to be turning the corner. Points in 10 straight games is a personal best and he's played 86 in a row as of tonight's game.

That said, I don't think he's a true #1 center. He and Roy make a solid 2a/2b tandem.

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01-14-2010, 10:24 PM
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Thats my point, Madden and Bolland aren't terrible players on a terrible team but the ABC line was terrible but they still got points.

Stats only tell you something if you can read them right..

Toews goes down guess who has to step up?
You've done your best to try to hijack the thread. Cut it out.

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01-14-2010, 10:28 PM
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NJ needs one.

Zajac is about as good of a #2 you can get.. but he isn't a #1
Yep. Last year, he played like a first line center. This year he shows flashes, but he's a 2nd line center for sure.

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01-14-2010, 11:38 PM
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BTW, being a top 30 C in the league doesn't make you a #1C. There is less than 30 #1C in the league IMO.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Some #1 centres are miles ahead of others, yes, but there are 30 team - meaning the top 30 centres in the world are #1 centres.

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01-14-2010, 11:42 PM
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I'll tell you the Leafs have absolutely no first line center. They may not even have a true 2nd line center.
or a 3rd or 4th?

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01-14-2010, 11:46 PM
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The only thing Plekanec is missing is the name.

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01-15-2010, 12:07 AM
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That sounds frighteningly like the Oilers. Except the Oilers may not even have a true 3rd line center.
Gagner, O'Sullivan, Horcoff and Brule can be a 2nd and 3rd line center by committee

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01-15-2010, 12:11 AM
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or a 3rd or 4th?
Stajan is a more than adequate 3rd-liner and possibly a decent 2nd-liner. I understand some of this is due to opportunity by being on a bad team, but he is 26th in points by centers right now.

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01-15-2010, 12:28 AM
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01-15-2010, 03:19 AM
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Atlanta definitely does not have a 1st line center.
They got M-F Peverley, who arguably would have more points than #99 if played in the same era.

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01-15-2010, 03:56 AM
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Every NHL player has a skill, something they're good at... Some players are better at things then others you get the right concoction and well you got a good line..

Hockey is about chemistry...
Common, you cannot tell me with a straight face that you believe Madden will have a 80 point season if he played 1st line center an entire season. And for the record, I like Madden.

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01-15-2010, 04:47 AM
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Some #1 centres are miles ahead of others, yes, but there are 30 team - meaning the top 30 centres in the world are #1 centres.
So Malkin, Zetterberg* or Carter* are #2 centers? Sorry, no. Just because Spezza (purely hypothetical) goes down for the rest of the season that doesn't suddenly make Fisher a #1 center.

[* I apologize if they are actually centering the 1st line and Datsyuk and Richards center the 2nd line.]

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01-15-2010, 08:29 AM
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Stats only tell you something if you can read them right..
#1 center is pretty easy to define.
So lets skip the stats and look at the game.

The next time the Blackhawks are down 1 goal (god forbid) and there is 1 minute left to play of the game, do Quenneville send out Madden to score and win the game?

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