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01-15-2010, 10:47 AM
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The trade never happened. Roy was not being traded from Montreal until the fateful night when he said he wouldn't play for Montreal again and they certainly would not have traded him to the hated intra-province rival.
I know what Aubut said. I know S.Savard confirmed it. The deal was almost done. Lindros himself said he had no objections with playing in Montreal. The reason it didn't happen was because the Flyers and Rangers came up with better offers. You can believe whatever you want.

In addition, the Habs had already been shopping Roy prior to the incident. Roy was supposed to have been traded earlier in the 94-95 season for Owen Nolan and S.Fiset. When Lacroix called to confirm the deal, Serge Savard had already been fired earlier that day.


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01-15-2010, 10:48 AM
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I remember him talking about a Roy-Nolan deal but didn't happen cause he was replace as the GM. Anybody remember this ?

For the Roy-Lindros deal, did the reason why Lindros didn't want to play with the Nordiques was the province of Quebec itself ?

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01-15-2010, 10:50 AM
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I remember him talking about a Roy-Nolan deal but didn't happen cause he was replace as the GM. Anybody remember this ?

For the Roy-Lindros deal, did the reason why Lindros didn't want to play with the Nordiques was the province of Quebec itself ?
He didn't want to play in a small market. He was quoted as saying he wouldn't have a problem with playing in Montreal. If he had been drafted by the Winnipeg Jets, he would have refused to play there as well. It was never a Province of Quebec issue.

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01-15-2010, 10:54 AM
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He didn't want to play in a small market. He was quoted as saying he wouldn't have a problem with playing in Montreal. If he had been drafted by the Winnipeg Jets, he would have refused to play there as well. It was never a Province of Quebec issue.
Oh thanks !!
I was younger at the time and didn't focus on the reasons why.

Also at the time I was higher on the New York deal, have to say I didn't knew who Peter Forsberg was

Tony Amonte, Alexei Kovalev, John Vanbiesbrouck, what else ??

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01-15-2010, 10:57 AM
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The Roy trade was much more lobsided than the Lindros one in my opinion. But one HFboarders would've loved from a Montreal point of view.

The "superstar potential" of the young Rucinsky and a future Vezina winner Thibault for two past their prime washed up twenty-somethings.

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01-15-2010, 11:02 AM
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The Roy trade was much more lobsided than the Lindros one in my opinion. But one HFboarders would've loved from a Montreal point of view.

The "superstar potential" of the young Rucinsky and a future Vezina winner Thibault for two past their prime washed up twenty-somethings.
Hey, but it would create a ton of cap space

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01-15-2010, 12:37 PM
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Ted Kennedy:
Rights traded to Toronto by Montreal for the rights to Frank Eddolls, September 10, 1943.

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You may have just won.

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New York Rangers get Jaromir Jagr

Washington Capitals get Anson Carter

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01-15-2010, 01:09 PM
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Let's say that they traded Lindros for Forsberg straight up and the Nords/Avs still won that trade.

So yes, it's absolutely up there

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01-15-2010, 01:15 PM
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I still think Joe Thornton to the Sharks for almost nothing was the worst deal I've been a live for.

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Luongo and Krajicek for Bertuzzi, Allen, and Auld still sticks out in my mind. I personally think Allen is horribly overrated and well, Bertuzzi's body of work the last few years speaks for itself. The Panthers save some face if Shawn Matthias turns out to be an impact player, but this is still a ridiculously one-sided affair.

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01-15-2010, 02:24 PM
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New York Rangers get Jaromir Jagr

Washington Capitals get Anson Carter
Best part was Caps pay half Jagr's salary.

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01-15-2010, 02:45 PM
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I still think Joe Thornton to the Sharks for almost nothing was the worst deal I've been a live for.
Yeah, as well as Sturm, Stewart, and Primeau have filled in at their roles, they just don't match the contributions of a Joe Thornton (Imagine the Bruins with Thornton AND Savard... don't think they'd miss Sturm, Stewart, and Primeau, lol). Just looking at that makes me think other Habs fans aren't crazy to think that someday, they'll be lucky enough to see a Halak+Ryder+2nd for Lecavalier type deal actually happen.

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Luongo & Jokinen for Kvasha & Parrish.

Made worse by the fact that the trade was made so that New York could draft Dipietro instead of Heatley or Gaborik.

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01-15-2010, 03:31 PM
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Just about every lopsided trade involves a team that is merely a victim of circumstance so I have a hard time really getting on the GM's who make the occasional bad trade, a lot of them have had to. In terms of talent and immediate return, I think Slava Kozlov for Domink Hasek was the most lopsided trade. Hasek was aging but still playing well and he simply was out of the Sabres price range. Had to make a trade and when the big market teams know that, they can sell you short.
Buffalo's hands were further tied by the fact that Hasek let it be known that he would retire if he thought the team trading for him was giving up much. Basically, Hasek threatened to retire and give Buffalo nothing, unless Buffalo knowingly got screwed in the deal.

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01-15-2010, 05:15 PM
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New York Rangers get Jaromir Jagr

Washington Capitals get Anson Carter
But that ignores the rationale of the trade for the Capitals.

When their incentive (purging a portion of a terribly burdensome contract) is considered, it is far from lopsided. In fact, it accomplished precisely what they intended, as it did same for NYR, even with them paying some of Jagr's remaining salary.

This was not a talent exchange; Anson Carter was just a throw in to even up some of the near-term financials. It was a monetary transaction for them.

As such, judging it by the metrics of on-ice performance is moot.

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01-15-2010, 05:36 PM
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Got to be the Thornton deal for me.

The Yashin deal, Lindros, and others teams were banking on potential. Yashin and Lindros had the potential to be great. We all knew what Thornton was and when the trade was made people said roght off the bat that Boston got robbed. All they have is Sturm and i am pretty sure Boston would love to get rid of him.

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01-15-2010, 05:42 PM
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To LA: Wayne Gretzky

To EDM: A huge bag of cash and a handful of magic beans

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To Pittsburgh: Alek Stojanov
To Vancouver: Markus Naslund

That was pretty lopsided.

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To Pittsburgh: Alek Stojanov
To Vancouver: Markus Naslund

That was pretty lopsided.
Yep, this one and Luongo/Jokinen for Parrish/Kvasha were awful.

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Just about every lopsided trade involves a team that is merely a victim of circumstance so I have a hard time really getting on the GM's who make the occasional bad trade, a lot of them have had to. In terms of talent and immediate return, I think Slava Kozlov for Domink Hasek was the most lopsided trade. Hasek was aging but still playing well and he simply was out of the Sabres price range. Had to make a trade and when the big market teams know that, they can sell you short.
that was a case of the Sabres trading Haek's rights. He was hours away from unrestricted free agency. Getting anything was an absolute steal.

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To LA: Wayne Gretzky

To EDM: A huge bag of cash and a handful of magic beans
Yeah, those magic beans certainly paid off in the 1990 Cup win.

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How about the brain fart Milbury did when he delt Yashin to Ottawa. Looking at it now, Chara and Spezza are two huge players to their respective teams and the only impact Yashin has on the Isles now is that he is taking up cap space (only or 5 more years though).

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Neely and a 3rd overall for Barry Pederson was quite something.

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Yeah, those magic beans certainly paid off in the 1990 Cup win.
That's a testament to how good the team was - they could lose Gretzky and still win a cup.

Do you really think Martin Gelinas and Adam Graves are the reason the Oilers won the cup in '90?

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