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01-16-2010, 08:46 AM
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Shut out twice in a row.

Need to move Dubinsky back to center. Drury is not a playmaking center.

Prospal Christensen Gaborik
Higgins Drury Callahan
Avery Dubinsky Kotalik/Lisin
Brashear Anisimov Boyle

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01-16-2010, 09:24 AM
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Seriously... trying to rearange these pieces into something worth while is useless.

Ani on the 4th line doesn't make sense to me at all.

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01-16-2010, 09:36 AM
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I would put back Dubinsky with Christensen and Gaboik first. Or eventually try Dubinsky on LW with Prospal and Gaborik.

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01-16-2010, 10:30 AM
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Get Prospal off the first line, put Dubinsky back, it really was better.

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01-16-2010, 10:41 AM
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Get Prospal off the first line, put Dubinsky back, it really was better.
You can't say it was better, more effective as of late but Prospal/Gaborik were far better in the first half of the season.

I do agree though we should try Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik on the first and throw Prospal on the 2nd to see if we can spread the offense out a bit... Oh wait what offense.

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01-16-2010, 10:56 AM
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I'd like to see these lines for a few games...

Dubinsky - Christensen - Gaborik
Prospal - Anisimov - Callahan
Lisin - Drury - Avery
Higgins - Boyle - Voros

-Not sure why we broke up the Dubi/Christensen/Gabby line in the first place when it was working. Prospal isn't Crosby, we don't need to start breaking things up because he comes back.

-I want to see Anisimov as the 2nd line center. In other words I want to see him on the ice more than Chris Drury at even strength.

-Lets give Lisin a few games. Give him 3rd line minutes and see what happens.

-I've reached my melting point with trying to get Chris Higgins going. We have played him on the 1st PP unit, the 2nd PP unit, on the 1st line, the 2nd line, the 3rd line...he still hasn't gotten going. He reminds me of Marcel Hossa. Given every possible opportunity to succeed and failed in each one. Let him play on the 4th line a few games and maybe he can knock in an ugly goal.

-I've seen enough of Brashear and Kotalik lately. Let Voros play a few games on the 4th line. Brashear can then focus on his true passion which is partying in Philly Clubs.

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01-16-2010, 10:56 AM
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Get Prospal off the first line, put Dubinsky back, it really was better.
I second that

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01-16-2010, 11:08 AM
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I'd like to see these lines for a few games...

Dubinsky - Christensen - Gaborik
Prospal - Anisimov - Callahan
Lisin - Drury - Avery
Higgins - Boyle - Voros
Anisimov hasn't done anything lately, but I say let the guy play because Drury hasn't done much more.

I can't believe Higgins is on pace for 20 points and Drury like 25. ****ing ridiculous. Drury last season looked like an elite center compared to this season. If you step back and really look at this team you start to get very, very depressed... and also start to appreciate what the man in goal has done

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01-16-2010, 11:13 AM
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Anisimov hasn't done anything lately, but I say let the guy play because Drury hasn't done much more.

I can't believe Higgins is on pace for 20 points and Drury like 25. ****ing ridiculous. Drury last season looked like an elite center compared to this season. If you step back and really look at this team you start to get very, very depressed... and also start to appreciate what the man in goal has done
im glad people are realizing its are offence is the problem not our defence tied for 26th in league in offence 10th in league in goals against not bad cant beleive we actually are in a playoff spot better address forward problem quick

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01-16-2010, 11:19 AM
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Here are the projected point totals for the players:

Marian Gaborik: 94
Vinny Prospal: 56
Brandon Dubinsky: 40 points
Ales Kotalik: 36
Ryan Callahan: 38
Michael Del Zotto: 38
Sean Avery: 30
Chris Drury: 28
[B]Marc Staal: 26
Artem Anisimov: 26
Michal Rozsival: 24
Daniel Girardi: 23
Chris Higgins: 19
Enver Lisin: 19
Wade Redden: 12 (oh man)
Matt Gilroy: 12
Bryan Boyle: 7

So our third highest scorer is on pace for 40 points. Yes, let it sink in. And we have people making threads about Marian Gaborik slumping. Hmm... I wonder why? Maybe he's not freaking Superman. There is no superstar player that would be faring better right now on this team. None

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01-16-2010, 11:22 AM
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Bring back Sykora - he's rotting in Minnesota and he actually can put the puck in the net.

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01-16-2010, 11:27 AM
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im glad people are realizing its are offence is the problem not our defence tied for 26th in league in offence 10th in league in goals against not bad cant beleive we actually are in a playoff spot better address forward problem quick
They are both problems. Giving up 30 shots per night is nothing to brag about. Hank is bailing the defense out once again.

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Anisimov hasn't done anything lately, but I say let the guy play because Drury hasn't done much more.
Yep, Drury is what he is. A 7mill dollar Blair Betts with mythical intangibles. Everything Drury does he can do with 3rd line minutes. Penalty Kill, block shots, win faceoffs and provide zero offensive production.

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Here are the projected point totals for the players:

Wade Redden: 12 (oh man)
The best part is that Wade Redden makes $8,000,000 in actual salary this year. Which means he is the highest paid DMan in the entire NHL in terms of actual salary paid. Think about that for a second. Once your done vommiting think about this. We are paying Wade Redden $8,000,000 this season to be the #6 Dman on this team. Since he now averages less icetime than any of the other Dmen a game it is logical to assume that he is viewed as the #6 Dman on this team by the coaches.

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01-16-2010, 11:37 AM
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Bring back Sykora - he's rotting in Minnesota and he actually can put the puck in the net.
Agreed. It doesn't seem like they're giving him a chance there at all. It couldn't hurt, he can certainly score more than the likes of Kotalik.

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01-16-2010, 11:41 AM
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Egad! What happens if we go O'fer three?

We've been one of the lowest scoring teams for a few seasons now so I was wondering what your take would be if we get SO by Blues?

Should heads begin to roll?
Demotions/promotions?
Trades?

I chose this time, before the games, because it is more conducive to unemotional diatribe.

I would opt for option number 2. Send some under-performers down and promote some kids to see what they can do. Can't be worse than what we're getting now.

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01-16-2010, 11:42 AM
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If they get shutout again I would hope something is done but I would doubt it.

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01-16-2010, 11:43 AM
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Need to move Dubinsky back to center. Drury is not a playmaking center.

Prospal Christensen Gaborik
Higgins Drury Callahan
Avery Dubinsky Kotalik/Lisin
Brashear Anisimov Boyle
There is no way these lines are good. Drury Higgins and cally DO NOT deserve more minutes than Dubi..Higgins needs to be on the 4th line as well as kotalik. Drury and Cally should be on the third line.. Let's see Dubi EC and Gabo..second line prospal arty cally third line avery drury and lisin 4th give it to higgins boyle and voros scratch kotalik brashear

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01-16-2010, 11:44 AM
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Whats the NHL record? Can't be more than 4 games right??

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Nothing. Dolan does not care.

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Flames went 135:19 without a goal in 1999.

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I hope we break out of this funk. This is embarrassing.

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01-16-2010, 11:55 AM
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I'd like to see these lines for a few games...

Dubinsky - Christensen - Gaborik
Prospal - Anisimov - Callahan
Lisin - Drury - Avery
Higgins - Boyle - Voros

-Not sure why we broke up the Dubi/Christensen/Gabby line in the first place when it was working. Prospal isn't Crosby, we don't need to start breaking things up because he comes back.

-I want to see Anisimov as the 2nd line center. In other words I want to see him on the ice more than Chris Drury at even strength.

-Lets give Lisin a few games. Give him 3rd line minutes and see what happens.

-I've reached my melting point with trying to get Chris Higgins going. We have played him on the 1st PP unit, the 2nd PP unit, on the 1st line, the 2nd line, the 3rd line...he still hasn't gotten going. He reminds me of Marcel Hossa. Given every possible opportunity to succeed and failed in each one. Let him play on the 4th line a few games and maybe he can knock in an ugly goal.

-I've seen enough of Brashear and Kotalik lately. Let Voros play a few games on the 4th line. Brashear can then focus on his true passion which is partying in Philly Clubs.
Agreed with almost all of your reasoning, but I come up with a slightly different lineup:

Dubinsky - Christensen - Gaborik
Prospal - Anisimov - Lisin
Avery - Drury - Callahan
Higgins - Boyle - Kotalik

1st line ----> simply put, they were performing and looked like a more complete line than even the early season Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik line. Christensen's performance may have been a short lived mirage, but until he proves that it was, you gotta put that line back together.

2nd line ----> couple of points here: 1) Something that has gone widely unremarked is that Lisin's good and bad games (IMO) almost always correspond to whether he's playing RW or LW - for some reason, he seems much more effective on the right side; and 2) when Lisin does play well, he makes offensive plays that guys like Kotalik, Avery, and especially Voros/Boyle/Brashear can't handle. He and AA looked really good together in preseason and we're not scoring anyway, so **** it - let's try them back together and put another player with some offensive acumen on the line with them.

3rd line ----> these guys are all third liners based on their offensive production, so play them on the third line. Stop looking for them to produce what they can't. Honestly, IMO they're all best suited as third line WINGS, but someone has to play center, so Drury goes there. Also, Avery goes at C or LW, never RW.

4th line ----> I don't want to see Brashear again. I honestly think he's done - at least for this year. And as frustrating as Kotalik is, he's no worse than Voros, especially if you drastically limit his minutes. This way you preserve him for the SO and the PP (although let's move him back to the second unit).

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I think we score two in the first 8 minutes.

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I hope we break out of this funk. This is embarrassing.
Why? According to some Slats is doing a good job, and this is merely the outcome of all his quality work. I honestly hope we don't score again for the rest of the season. I want to see this board then

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Is that the NHL record? We're at 125:00+ (how late in the game did we score last time we actually scored?)

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