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01-08-2010, 08:43 PM
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I never said monopoly, I said monopolistic control, which is certainly true in the same way that a government has monopolistic control over the legitimate application of force in its sovereign territory. The idea of a monopoly over access is a widely used idea in intellectual property law. It doesn't merely refer to an economic circumstance. I appreciate that you are trying to make me look dumb but it isn't really working.

The comment about freedom might seem vague but it is, in my opinion, true. In order to understand where I am coming from you might want to read the Wikipedia article on Richard Stallman, the creator of the GNU system (and thus a major part of Linux) whose views I largely identify with. The Iphone is very bad for restricting freedom, to the point where Steve Jobs has even stated that jailbreaking the iPhone is illegal. (which is probably not true but regardless is ridiculous, you own the phone and should have complete dominion over it).

I agree that we have the freedom not to buy the iPhone. That is why I am encouraging others not to.
I think you're splitting hairs over your use of the term monopoly, which was clearly designed to evoke an emotional reaction. I don't have a huge problem with Apple exerting a modicum of control over their own platform, but apparently you see it in a decidedly different light. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't say it's inherently bad just because Apple has an approval process. It's not as if they invented the idea -- anyone who's developed for Xbox/Playstation/etc. has seen that and much, much worse.

I don't disagree with you about jailbreaking being illegal. But I think you have a tenuous connection between your use of monopoly and Apple, especially when you also try to connect Stallman in there somehow. I guess I just don't see the outrage you do, overall, about the iPhone platform. Apple has provided a great platform, free tools, and a tiny yearly developer fee, as well as a very nice turnkey merchant solution, in exchange for a reasonable royalty on sales. Not even the big video game companies get deals like this, which is why so many of them are investing heavily into the iPhone platform.

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01-10-2010, 12:24 AM
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Hold out a couple more months and this badboy can be all yours...exclusively on Rogers which sucks, but hey, this phone will DESTROY all others
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/r...as-a-canadian/

Just a few notes about this
-8mp camera
-touch screen
-android platform
-1ghz (YES!! I said GIGAHERTZ!) snapdragon processor
THe only immediate issue I see here is that it will ship with an older version of android. Rogers users with the dream know all about how Rogers said they would not be updating, but as of yesterday, Rogers confirmed that they would be updating those. So I'm pretty sure before summer all these phones will be running on the new android build.
Nop only the Magic will be receiving updates past Android 1.5
The Dream will stop with an upcoming 1.5 update, no 1.6 no 2.0/2.1 which is extremly disapointing since the G1 in the states (which is the exact same phone) has the 1.6 update.
The LG Eve has also been hung out to dry and so far is stuck in no mans land with Android 1.5.

You better hope that Sony Ericsson irons out the kinks before shipping out this Xperia phone because initial launch videos show it LAGGING like mad.

I mean they managed to bog down a 1GHz processor.

They've got their work cut out for them.
I hope this won't be a repeat of the Xperia X1.

Not to mention that getting updates to the phones falls mainly on the carriers not the manufacturers. With carriers like Rogers who like to brand the CRAP out of all their phones this leads to more work for a manufacturer to "customize" (in a bad way) the software to the carrier's specification.

This leads to what you saw with the HTC Magic and HTC Dream.

So while Android 2.x+ should be a given for the Xperia X10 given it's hardware, it's not a sure bet... yet.

As far as to say it will destroy all other phones, I disagree.
I'm much more intrigued by the rumored HTC Bravo/Passion/Dragon.
Android 2.1 + Sense UI out of the box with the hardware of a Nexus one + Trackpad replacing the trackball.


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Nop only the Magic will be receiving updates past Android 1.5
The Dream will stop with an upcoming 1.5 update, no 1.6 no 2.0/2.1 which is extremly disapointing since the G1 in the states (which is the exact same phone) has the 1.6 update.
The LG Eve has also been hung out to dry and so far is stuck in no mans land with Android 1.5.

You better hope that Sony Ericsson irons out the kinks before shipping out this Xperia phone because initial launch videos show it LAGGING like mad.

I mean they managed to bog down a 1GHz processor.

They've got their work cut out for them.
I hope this won't be a repeat of the Xperia X1.

Not to mention that getting updates to the phones falls mainly on the carriers not the manufacturers. With carriers like Rogers who like to brand the CRAP out of all their phones this leads to more work for a manufacturer to "customize" (in a bad way) the software to the carrier's specification.

This leads to what you saw with the HTC Magic and HTC Dream.

So while Android 2.x+ should be a given for the Xperia X10 given it's hardware, it's not a sure bet... yet.

As far as to say it will destroy all other phones, I disagree.
I'm much more intrigued by the rumored HTC Bravo/Passion/Dragon.
Android 2.1 + Sense UI out of the box with the hardware of a Nexus one + Trackpad replacing the trackball.
The rogers stock on the dream and magic are just awful... slow and unresponsive. After about 2 weeks I took the time to root my phone and install a new rom on it and the difference was incredible.

Added a linux-swap partition to my SD card and everything runs so much smoother (plus it helps not having too many widgets and that running).

Plus, I'm currently running donut (1.6) and some of the rom-writers are working on the 2.0 firmware (that was 3 weeks ago, so who knows where they are at now).

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01-10-2010, 02:34 PM
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The rogers stock on the dream and magic are just awful... slow and unresponsive. After about 2 weeks I took the time to root my phone and install a new rom on it and the difference was incredible.

Added a linux-swap partition to my SD card and everything runs so much smoother (plus it helps not having too many widgets and that running).

Plus, I'm currently running donut (1.6) and some of the rom-writers are working on the 2.0 firmware (that was 3 weeks ago, so who knows where they are at now).
Yeah the ROMs on XDA are fantastic don't get me wrong.
But to get the best most functioning ROMs you need the carrier updated RUUs as well.

For example only on Rogers' network there is an SMS timestamp bug which shows your SMS offset by 5 hours.

This can only be rectified with a Rogers' ROM.
If you look at the Sense UI ROM (which I'm using right now) by hotweiss on XDA and Howard Forums, his ROM is near perfect. The only thing that is buggy is the timestamp bug. Once he gets a hold of the official HTC Update with Sense UI designed for Rogers' HTC Magic the bug will finally be fixed.

This is why it's still imperative to get the carrier updates. Not to actually use them (how ironic is that ) but to modify them and use the components that could otherwise not be fixed by a ROM cooker.

This is the same for the 2.0 ROMs that are floating around right now.

Sure you can get Android 2.0 + Sense UI from XDA right NOW, but the sluggishness and the lack of Camera/Camcorder support is a dealbreaker for me. Again this is fixed with an official update from HTC and Rogers.

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Nop only the Magic will be receiving updates past Android 1.5
The Dream will stop with an upcoming 1.5 update, no 1.6 no 2.0/2.1 which is extremly disapointing since the G1 in the states (which is the exact same phone) has the 1.6 update.
The LG Eve has also been hung out to dry and so far is stuck in no mans land with Android 1.5.

You better hope that Sony Ericsson irons out the kinks before shipping out this Xperia phone because initial launch videos show it LAGGING like mad.

I mean they managed to bog down a 1GHz processor.

They've got their work cut out for them.
I hope this won't be a repeat of the Xperia X1.

Not to mention that getting updates to the phones falls mainly on the carriers not the manufacturers. With carriers like Rogers who like to brand the CRAP out of all their phones this leads to more work for a manufacturer to "customize" (in a bad way) the software to the carrier's specification.

This leads to what you saw with the HTC Magic and HTC Dream.

So while Android 2.x+ should be a given for the Xperia X10 given it's hardware, it's not a sure bet... yet.

As far as to say it will destroy all other phones, I disagree.
I'm much more intrigued by the rumored HTC Bravo/Passion/Dragon.
Android 2.1 + Sense UI out of the box with the hardware of a Nexus one + Trackpad replacing the trackball.
Hmm I like. I will consider myself educated now, and go back to waiting for the perfect phone. Although if they fix the Xperia 10 up right, it will certainly be droolworthy to me.

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Yeah the ROMs on XDA are fantastic don't get me wrong.
But to get the best most functioning ROMs you need the carrier updated RUUs as well.

For example only on Rogers' network there is an SMS timestamp bug which shows your SMS offset by 5 hours.

This can only be rectified with a Rogers' ROM.
If you look at the Sense UI ROM (which I'm using right now) by hotweiss on XDA and Howard Forums, his ROM is near perfect. The only thing that is buggy is the timestamp bug. Once he gets a hold of the official HTC Update with Sense UI designed for Rogers' HTC Magic the bug will finally be fixed.

This is why it's still imperative to get the carrier updates. Not to actually use them (how ironic is that ) but to modify them and use the components that could otherwise not be fixed by a ROM cooker.

This is the same for the 2.0 ROMs that are floating around right now.

Sure you can get Android 2.0 + Sense UI from XDA right NOW, but the sluggishness and the lack of Camera/Camcorder support is a dealbreaker for me. Again this is fixed with an official update from HTC and Rogers.
Odd, I don't have that bug on my phone... all my SMS's are timestamped correctly. Where's the Sense UI ROM? I can't find it anywhere on XDA (the search returns about 600 links). I'm currently using Cyanogen 4.2.13... I've been using his ROMs since I think 3.6... haven't felt the need to switch yet (mostly because the other ones I've tried haven't been nearly as good).

On a side note, Rogers is offering a free upgrade to the Magic for all Dream owners who purchased before Dec 31st. They waive the activation fee and the upgrade fee and even give you a credit.

The best part is you get to keep your Dream.

http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/01/1...al-still-free/

I got the dream for the physical keyboard, so I'll stick with it, but it never hurts to have a backup phone handy.

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You guys seem to know what you're talking about... can I ask for some advice?


I don't use a cell-phone much unless I'm travelling. I've got a Moto KRZR right now, through Virgin, on a pay as I go plan.


What I'd like to do is replace my KRZR with something that has more functionality. I'd like something with a decent memo-pad application, something with a good music player and stereo bluetooth, a decent camera and video camera... the ability to play video would be nice. I don't picture myself using it for surfing the web or doing spreadsheets, but being able to do e-mail would be nice. WiFi would be a bonus, but hardly necessary.

It would be kind of nice to stay with Virgin, since I've got a lot of credit in my pay as I go account, but Virgin's phones kind of suck.

The problem is that I'm extremely cheap. I refuse to get locked into an expensive data plan or a long-term contract. I'd buy an iPod Touch and carry that plus my cell phone before I bought into a long term commitment. However, my pocket-space is at a premium, and I'd really rather have just one device.


I have noticed that Bell has HTC Diamond and Touch phones available with no contract. Would those be a good option for me? Anybody have any other ideas I should look at?

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You guys seem to know what you're talking about... can I ask for some advice?


I don't use a cell-phone much unless I'm travelling. I've got a Moto KRZR right now, through Virgin, on a pay as I go plan.


What I'd like to do is replace my KRZR with something that has more functionality. I'd like something with a decent memo-pad application, something with a good music player and stereo bluetooth, a decent camera and video camera... the ability to play video would be nice. I don't picture myself using it for surfing the web or doing spreadsheets, but being able to do e-mail would be nice. WiFi would be a bonus, but hardly necessary.

It would be kind of nice to stay with Virgin, since I've got a lot of credit in my pay as I go account, but Virgin's phones kind of suck.

The problem is that I'm extremely cheap. I refuse to get locked into an expensive data plan or a long-term contract. I'd buy an iPod Touch and carry that plus my cell phone before I bought into a long term commitment. However, my pocket-space is at a premium, and I'd really rather have just one device.


I have noticed that Bell has HTC Diamond and Touch phones available with no contract. Would those be a good option for me? Anybody have any other ideas I should look at?
If working for Rogers over the past year has taught me anything, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THE HTC DIAMOND

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For example only on Rogers' network there is an SMS timestamp bug which shows your SMS offset by 5 hours.
I have the Telus HTC Hero unlocked on Rogers' network (yes - 3G, HSPA and even EDGE work), and I had this SMS timestamp bug. But I went on the Android Market and downloaded SMSFixTimes, which fixed it (except if you receive an SMS while you are writing an SMS to the same person).

I am waiting to see what the Telus Motorola Milestone (a.k.a. Droid) looks like.... I might replace my Hero with that.


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If working for Rogers over the past year has taught me anything, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THE HTC DIAMOND
I had the Rogers Diamond but after cooking my own ROMs on it the performance was pretty good. I actually miss that device, it was really thin and had a hi-res screen, along with all the bells and whistles like GPS and FM Radio. The Bell version has bigger battery so you don't have to worry about the battery life that plagued the Rogers Diamond; although when I tried it out it was sluggish.. but an XDA-cooked ROM will fix that.

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I have an iPhone. I've had it for 2 1/2 years.
I work for Apple. I'm an iPhone Technical Support advisor.

The iPhone is phenomenal.
It really is a brilliant device.

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I have an iPhone. I've had it for 2 1/2 years.
I work for Apple. I'm an iPhone Technical Support advisor.

The iPhone is phenomenal.
It really is a brilliant device.
Sweet, at least I can take this opinion free of bias.

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I had the Rogers Diamond but after cooking my own ROMs on it the performance was pretty good. I actually miss that device, it was really thin and had a hi-res screen, along with all the bells and whistles like GPS and FM Radio. The Bell version has bigger battery so you don't have to worry about the battery life that plagued the Rogers Diamond; although when I tried it out it was sluggish.. but an XDA-cooked ROM will fix that.
How does that work... I buy the phone from Bell, upload some firmware I get from the internet, and it's a new and improved phone? And Bell doesn't know or doesn't care and I can still use the phone on their network?


Can you suggest someplace where I can read more about this?

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I work for Apple. I'm an iPhone Technical Support advisor.

The iPhone is phenomenal.
It really is a brilliant device.
No one ever doubted that. The iPhone plans cost stupid amounts of money though.

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You guys seem to know what you're talking about... can I ask for some advice?


I don't use a cell-phone much unless I'm travelling. I've got a Moto KRZR right now, through Virgin, on a pay as I go plan.


What I'd like to do is replace my KRZR with something that has more functionality. I'd like something with a decent memo-pad application, something with a good music player and stereo bluetooth, a decent camera and video camera... the ability to play video would be nice. I don't picture myself using it for surfing the web or doing spreadsheets, but being able to do e-mail would be nice. WiFi would be a bonus, but hardly necessary.

It would be kind of nice to stay with Virgin, since I've got a lot of credit in my pay as I go account, but Virgin's phones kind of suck.

The problem is that I'm extremely cheap. I refuse to get locked into an expensive data plan or a long-term contract. I'd buy an iPod Touch and carry that plus my cell phone before I bought into a long term commitment. However, my pocket-space is at a premium, and I'd really rather have just one device.


I have noticed that Bell has HTC Diamond and Touch phones available with no contract. Would those be a good option for me? Anybody have any other ideas I should look at?
If you want to stay on Virgin, and you're willing to pay the big no contract prices, buy one of their Blackberry's. Most will do what you want, and they're better than the HTC Diamond or Touch.

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No one ever doubted that. The iPhone plans cost stupid amounts of money though.
All cell phone plans do in this country. We're being royally screwed. Worst in the G10. More expensive than Burundi. It's shameful.

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How does that work... I buy the phone from Bell, upload some firmware I get from the internet, and it's a new and improved phone? And Bell doesn't know or doesn't care and I can still use the phone on their network?


Can you suggest someplace where I can read more about this?
Yes when you flash a "cooked" ROM it removes all the Bell customization crap as well as other unnecessary components that are part of the operating system by default. In fact you can also upgrade it to a Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM, which is more finger-friendly. You can always restore the original Bell ROM as long as you made a backup of it before you flashed something else on it. XDA-Developers is always the best place to find this info, in the Diamond section. I'm assuming the Bell Diamond is CDMA, so another really good place is PPCGeeks.com - which is mostly for CDMA phones.

After I got the HTC Hero, I figured with an Android device I wouldn't be spending time hacking and flashing stuff on it and would be happy with what I had... but now I'm back doing the same thing again

BTW I'm the guy who made the Onyx ROM for the GSM-based HTC Touch on xda.

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Yes when you flash a "cooked" ROM it removes all the Bell customization crap as well as other unnecessary components that are part of the operating system by default. In fact you can also upgrade it to a Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM, which is more finger-friendly. You can always restore the original Bell ROM as long as you made a backup of it before you flashed something else on it. XDA-Developers is always the best place to find this info, in the Diamond section. I'm assuming the Bell Diamond is CDMA, so another really good place is PPCGeeks.com - which is mostly for CDMA phones.

After I got the HTC Hero, I figured with an Android device I wouldn't be spending time hacking and flashing stuff on it and would be happy with what I had... but now I'm back doing the same thing again

BTW I'm the guy who made the Onyx ROM for the GSM-based HTC Touch on xda.
Just a heads up... when you go to XDA, take the time to read as much as you can first before posting questions. They can be pretty unforgiving to those who don't take the time to read around a bit first.

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If you want to stay on Virgin, and you're willing to pay the big no contract prices, buy one of their Blackberry's. Most will do what you want, and they're better than the HTC Diamond or Touch.
I'll double check on that... but it looks as if they won't sell you a Blackberry unless you sign up for some sort of plan.

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Yes when you flash a "cooked" ROM it removes all the Bell customization crap as well as other unnecessary components that are part of the operating system by default. In fact you can also upgrade it to a Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM, which is more finger-friendly. You can always restore the original Bell ROM as long as you made a backup of it before you flashed something else on it. XDA-Developers is always the best place to find this info, in the Diamond section. I'm assuming the Bell Diamond is CDMA, so another really good place is PPCGeeks.com - which is mostly for CDMA phones.
Cool! Thanks for the information. This actually sounds kind of fun.

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You sound like an expert! So, if I wreck it trying to upgrade it, I'll know who to call for help.

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I absolutely love my Nokia N900 best part is its a full maemo linux.
I have it set up so i can play snes games with a wiimote on my phone.
dont have to worry about converting everything to mp4 as it plays mpeg,avi, and just about everything i have tried to play. 4 fully customizable desktops. Built in fm transmitter 5mp camera (most you need in a phone). I love it!!

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I absolutely love my Nokia N900 best part is its a full maemo linux.
I have it set up so i can play snes games with a wiimote on my phone.
dont have to worry about converting everything to mp4 as it plays mpeg,avi, and just about everything i have tried to play. 4 fully customizable desktops. Built in fm transmitter 5mp camera (most you need in a phone). I love it!!
Wow snes emulator with wiimote? can other phones do that? that's kick ass i'd totally play street fighter on it during class haha

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