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01-16-2010, 03:33 PM
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You talk like that's unusual for a top goalie. Luongo's let in 3+ goals in 8 of his last 20 starts. Brodeur's let in 3 or more in 9 of his last 20; Miller in 7 of his last 20; and Bryzgalov in 8 of his last 20.

Other goalies like Kiprusoff and Lundqvist are doing a little better right now but if you applied the same range 5 games ago, they'd have had similar numbers.
Don't let silly facts get in the way of taking a stick to Luongo after one poor period.

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You talk like that's unusual for a top goalie. Luongo's let in 3+ goals in 8 of his last 20 starts. Brodeur's let in 3 or more in 9 of his last 20; Miller in 7 of his last 20; and Bryzgalov in 8 of his last 20.

Other goalies like Kiprusoff and Lundqvist are doing a little better right now but if you applied the same range 5 games ago, they'd have had similar numbers.
Even if that is far and square, I would prefer Luongo v.2007/08 or v.2008/09 to v.2009/10

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Even if that is far and square, I would prefer Luongo v.2007/08 or v.2008/09 to v.2009/10

What's really funny is that his numbers are almost identical year to year:

06-07: GAA: 2.28, SV%: .921

07-08: GAA: 2.38, SV%: .917

08-09: GAA: 2.34, SV%: .920

09-10: GAA: 2.30, SV%: .919


The only difference is that the team in front of him, when they're on, can score more than any team he's ever played for so there's the perception that he doesn't steal games. Luongo's job is to give the team a chance to win every night and outside of about 3 of his last 35 games he's done it. Since Luongo returned from injury, the team is 17-0-0 when they score 3 or more goals. The problem is that the offense, while excellent, has tended to be inconsistent game to game.

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01-16-2010, 04:17 PM
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People look back at games like the Phoenix one a little while ago where the Canucks won 4-0 and don't think Luongo stole the game. Yet if you watched it, they got obliterated in the second period and he got them through it. People think the score must read 2-1 or 1-0 for it to be considered as Luongo stealing the game.

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01-16-2010, 04:32 PM
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People look back at games like the Phoenix one a little while ago where the Canucks won 4-0 and don't think Luongo stole the game. Yet if you watched it, they got obliterated in the second period and he got them through it. People think the score must read 2-1 or 1-0 for it to be considered as Luongo stealing the game.
Agreed. Also the team's ability to kill penalties at crucial times has amplified problems. 5 of their last 6 regulation losses have had the game winning goal be a PP goal (and in the 6th game a PP goal caused them to go down 1-0 about 2:00 into the game). It's tough to lay the blame at your goalie's feet when your PK is giving up that many important goals.

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01-17-2010, 01:38 PM
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remember that Luongo struggled or the team struggled in front of him for the first little while.

Luongo last 31gms 20-9-2 64ga 2.06gaa .929sv%.......he is making the saves at good rate,again when we need the saves......

the biggest factor is contrbutions from many areas...goaltending,scoring,defence,pk(which was atrocious at the start)

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01-17-2010, 02:34 PM
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Raycroft was amazing when Luongo was hurt. That's not the problem at all. I'm going to blame Mr. October.
What does Brian Savage have to do with this?

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Well, he isn't bad and I ain't bashing. But we haven't seen him save the day as much as he did during the two previous seasons. But then again, perhaps it is because he don't have to do that this season...
This. No longer are the Canucks a team that relies solely on solid goaltending and timely scoring. They are a real contender now.

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Rory Boyden of The Hockey News encourages viewers to tune into a Vancouver Canucks game as they have one of the most exciting team in the league.

http://thehockeynews.com/articles/30...ayoff-key.html

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They have 2nd liners playing on their first line.

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01-19-2010, 06:22 PM
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Great thread, very interesting to theorize on anyways. For those blaming injuries, that doesn't change the fact we're third in goals for which the OP mentioned. On top of that, I feel injuries have impacted our forwards more than defence, though and argument could be made that goaltending has received the worst of the injury bug just because it's Luongo.

We are 10th ranked, pointwise in leage-wide standings right now. Somebody mentioned we are 8th in goals against, while we're obviously 3rd in goals for.

We should be higher in the standings, and let's hope that's where we end up.

We're missing loser points, though there are teams above us that have less loser points (New Jersey and Pittsburgh).

Also, I'm pretty sure that we are fourth for goals for, though maybe that literally changed since last nights blowout of the Flames by San Jose.

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What does Brian Savage have to do with this?


Exactly my thoughts...

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Not enough loser points.

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We are ''low'' in the standings because this team was a mess the first 10 games or so. Starting 0-3 doesnt help your cause, but we have one of the best records in the NHL since then.

Im confident we're finishing 3rd in this conference. We also have the best top 6 forward crop in the league IMO. IF not, top 3.

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01-19-2010, 09:25 PM
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What's really funny is that his numbers are almost identical year to year:

06-07: GAA: 2.28, SV%: .921

07-08: GAA: 2.38, SV%: .917

08-09: GAA: 2.34, SV%: .920

09-10: GAA: 2.30, SV%: .919


The only difference is that the team in front of him, when they're on, can score more than any team he's ever played for so there's the perception that he doesn't steal games. Luongo's job is to give the team a chance to win every night and outside of about 3 of his last 35 games he's done it. Since Luongo returned from injury, the team is 17-0-0 when they score 3 or more goals. The problem is that the offense, while excellent, has tended to be inconsistent game to game.
The inconsistent offensive is due to lack of consistencey from the 3rd/4th lines, imo. The 1st and 2nd lines have been just fine, the 3rd and 4th lines have not produced enough (see Chicago and San Jose's 3rd/4th lines).

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