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01-19-2010, 10:50 AM
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BOS - VAN: Wideman for Bieksa

Hey Fans!

Bruins fan who just moved to Vancouver and have been listening to the Team Radio station and watching a lot of Nucks games with new friends. Was wondering what you thought about this move. I know it is pretty simple and no additions but the PMD back there replacing Bieksa who has fallen out of favor it seems may be a great move for both teams. Thoughts?

To VAN:

D Dennis Wideman ($3,975,000)

To BOS:

D Kevin Bieksa ($3,750,000)

Cheers!

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Don't know why Bruins would want Bieksa at the moment... even though Wideman's been off lately, he's not the one out for the rest of the season (most likely), and even if Bieksa was playing, Wideman is still the better player at a younger age.

But hey, if you insist.

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Wideman is a much, much better defender than Bieksa and also better offensively. Oh yeah, and Wideman also doesn't have semi-permanently sliced tendons in his leg.

Boston hangs up the phone on this one without much thought.

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Even this season, I've been a huge Bieksa supporter, but I do this trade in an instant, no second thoughts.

Doubt the Bruins do it though, especially due to Bieksa's injury.

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Was thinking so...

Maybe just wanting to see Wideman as a Canuck. Boston is shopping him and Bieksa's style of play would be more controlled and directed under Julien next year. I guess I was hoping for Wideman to be in the run this year for Vancouver and Boston to have Bieksa next year with Chara.

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01-19-2010, 11:31 AM
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I don't know why people are jumping all over this. Wideman and Bieksa are similar players in that they aren't very reliable defensively, though Wideman is probably the better offensive producer.

Their fans think of Wideman the same way we regard Bieksa, so there is merit for their criticism.

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I don't know why people are jumping all over this. Wideman and Bieksa are similar players in that they aren't very reliable defensively, though Wideman is probably the better offensive producer.

Their fans think of Wideman the same way we regard Bieksa, so there is merit for their criticism.
This isn't even close to a pile on session. All in all I would call this well received.

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I guess it makes more sense as an off-season summer move.

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I don't know why people are jumping all over this. Wideman and Bieksa are similar players in that they aren't very reliable defensively, though Wideman is probably the better offensive producer.

Their fans think of Wideman the same way we regard Bieksa, so there is merit for their criticism.
no kidding

wideman is having a horrible year and it could be argued that he was a player that had a great year last season because his defensive partner won the norris trophy

dude was drafted 241st overall so its not like he's bursting with talent or anything

bruin fans could prove me wrong here, but i think he was a healthy scratch at some point this season

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Wideman has been terrible this year (not my words, rather my brother's who is a die-hard B fan) who has fewer points than Bieksa this year, has been very erratic and poor in his own end, provides almost zero toughness for a larger cap hit than Bieksa. Lets jump all over it!!!!!!!!!!

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Wideman has a more value than Bieksa, being younger and more skilled offensively, but Bieksa is a better fit for the Canucks imo. Wideman would be redundent behind Edler and Ehrhoff plus he is significantly softer than Bieksa. I would rather move Bieksa for a better defensive defenceman.

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Wideman hit 40+ once, Bieksa has twice. Wideman 30+ assists once, Bieksa 30+ assists twice. So let's not say Wideman is clearly better offensively.

I'd also say that between Edler, Ehrhoff, Salo, Bieksa, and sort-of Schneider, Vancouver has enough servicable offensive defensemen. Unless the team is upgrading to a major piece on the back end, we don't need another 30-50 point defenseman.

There's also another point that swapping out a long-time player carries an inherent hit to the team because it speaks to instability in the franchise. Bieksa is already familiar with all his teammates, liked in the room, drafted by the organization, and so forth.

I want Bieksa gone, but this doesn't jump out at me as a trade that would do much for Vancouver.

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no kidding

wideman is having a horrible year and it could be argued that he was a player that had a great year last season because his defensive partner won the norris trophy

dude was drafted 241st overall so its not like he's bursting with talent or anything

bruin fans could prove me wrong here, but i think he was a healthy scratch at some point this season
He was never partnered with Chara, Ward was. He was with Hunwick who also had a great season. He hasn't been a healthy scratch this year but his play and decisions (as many know with offensive-defensemen) are either great, or cost a goal.

It is interesting to hear both sides of the Nucks fanbase who are either for, or really against it.

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He was never partnered with Chara, Ward was. He was with Hunwick who also had a great season. He hasn't been a healthy scratch this year but his play and decisions (as many know with offensive-defensemen) are either great, or cost a goal.
cool, thanks

this thread on the bruins board was also informative reading...

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=725718

if we're trading bieksa for another underachieving defenceman i think i'd rather have coburn out of philadelphia than wideman

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Wideman's too big a risk at his $4mill cap hit... if we're talking a chance on an offensive dman by buying low when they're struggling, I'd rather target Niskanen out of Dallas (and IMO we have the perfect trade asset for them in Schneider)... he's been horrible this year, but he also hasn't signed that next big contract (like Wideman) and could be had cheap IMO. Both are right shooting offensive dmen that are struggling this year, except one is still on his rookie contract, while the other has already cashed in.

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No thanks to a shootout-blooper specialist when they share similar advantages and drawbacks, even if the difference is "only" 225k.

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Not much point in trading Bieksa for a similar player. At least Bieksa knows the team's system and his teammates know his foibles to a certain extent. Besides, it's not like he's out forever, he'll likely be back after the Olympic break.

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01-20-2010, 03:50 AM
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counter proposal

Bieksa and Wellwood or Johnson

for

Mark Stuart and Steve Begin

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Wideman's too big a risk at his $4mill cap hit... if we're talking a chance on an offensive dman by buying low when they're struggling, I'd rather target Niskanen out of Dallas (and IMO we have the perfect trade asset for them in Schneider)... he's been horrible this year, but he also hasn't signed that next big contract (like Wideman) and could be had cheap IMO. Both are right shooting offensive dmen that are struggling this year, except one is still on his rookie contract, while the other has already cashed in.
I very much agree with you on Niskanen. Hopefully Niewendyk and Gillis can work something out on that front.

And if we are too move Bieksa as someone previously stated it would make more sense to acquire a physical Defensive defenceman.

Right now we have:
Salo - Mitchell
Bieksa - Ehroff
SOB - Edler
Lukowich/Rome

Now in the offseason I think we could work out a couple deals with the Rangers & Stars of:
Bieksa for Girardi.
(Can make a argument for + on either side I wouldn't mind straight up as Girardi should be a bit cheaper than Bieksa (I think he would be signed for between 2-3 mil)
and
Schneider & SOB for Niskanen + mid round pick (to use to hopefully replace Schneider).
(Niskanen should cost about the same as SOB to re-sign (ie. 1.75 mil for either should be fair)
and
Re-sign Willie Mitchell to a reduced cap hit front loaded deal. (ie. 5 years 12.5 mil contract (4-3.5-2.5-1.5-1) so if he truly has lost his game at 37 we can bury him in the minors for only a cost of 1 mil.
Re-sign Lukowich to a reduced deal for our 7th D (~800k).


This would make our defence more youthful but with solid experience and toughness imo.
Could go with balanced pairings of:
Mitchell - Niskanen
Edler - Salo
Ehroff - Girardi
Lukowich

or against tough opponents/ we are in need of a shutdown pairing:
Mitchell - Salo
Ehroff - Girardi
Edler - Niskanen
Lukowich.
Cap hit: 18.4 mil
Compared to D cap hit of: 19.65 (w/ Willie at 3.5 SOB at 1.75 & Lukowich at 800k)
so roughly 1 mil to spare to either go to re-signing Kes, Raymond, etc. or if neccessary bringing in another addition to the team (be it at FA or the Deadline.)

imo this is an improved D with some extra cap room.

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