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01-20-2010, 11:28 AM
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it turned out that Lombardi didn't even want Gaborik.
Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true...

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01-20-2010, 11:42 AM
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Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true...
Seriously? He didn't want to take the risk of a long term contract with one of the top players in the league. Hossa was the only one he was truly trying to get. He used the injury excuse with Gaborik even though half the players he has brought in had injury "issues".

In the cap era, you can't offer top talent short term deals when they are UFAs. You have to take a chance on a long term deal. Lombardi took a chance by trading assets for Williams and didn't want to spend the money for Gaborik.

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01-20-2010, 11:48 AM
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I think he goes to Colorado.

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01-20-2010, 12:16 PM
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Seriously? He didn't want to take the risk of a long term contract with one of the top players in the league. Hossa was the only one he was truly trying to get. He used the injury excuse with Gaborik even though half the players he has brought in had injury "issues".
The guys he brought in didn't get 5 year deals at $7.5m per year or more. I don't understand why you don't see the difference. The closest was Handzus at $4m for 4 years and he hasn't missed 1 game (I think) in that time. Although, he did have a bad first year. We can all agree on that. The point is, DL was interested but I don't blame him for not commiting that kind of money for a huge question mark. Lets not forget this is Gaborik's first year of the deal and his first healthy season in very long time (so far at least).

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In the cap era, you can't offer top talent short term deals when they are UFAs. You have to take a chance on a long term deal. Lombardi took a chance by trading assets for Williams and didn't want to spend the money for Gaborik.
I don't disagree on your first point but only New York (who has a history of making FA blunders) offered him that term/money so what does that tell you?

And at this point it is possible that 2nd round pick ends up being hte most valuable asset and that second round pick won't be an NHL player probably for at least a few years. It was a risky move but I don't think losing Patty O was that big of a deal (and I was a Patty O fan).

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01-20-2010, 12:50 PM
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Well, I can handle the highs and the lows of Kovy trade rumors so, I'll keep thinking positive.

If Kovy is unavailable, we can move on to Torres who has been lighting it up. We could probably get him for Lewis.

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01-20-2010, 12:57 PM
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Just sayin' that Kings fans shouldn't get their hopes up about Kovalchuk. I did it last year with Gaborik, I started to believe that the Kings were going to be a serious player in the UFA market and it turned out that Lombardi didn't even want Gaborik. I'm still bitter about Gaborik not playing wing with Kopitar.

Now we have to watch the Rangers catch fire and make the playoffs with Gaborik leading the way.

Meanwhile, the Kings are well on their way to their traditional second half fade...
DL did want Gabby but the asking price during last trade deadline was Frolov, therefore, DL waited til Gabby became a UFA but he was obviously outbid by other teams.

I don't think any of us thought Gabby would go as high as he did. Can't really blame DL on the Gabby matter.

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01-20-2010, 01:24 PM
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How many threads do we need about Kovy? all talk about the same damn thing.
Just one, hence this thread.

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Why would ATL want UFA-to-be Frolov? Why would Frolov re-sign in ATL?
Don't know, ask the guy in the video, I was just going on his guesstimation. If a deal were to include Frolov, I would think that it would be similar to that, or swap a pick out for another roster player like Stoll.

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I would love to add Kovie to the mix.

I don't care what it takes or cost. Players like him don't grow on trees everyday.

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01-20-2010, 02:10 PM
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Too many assets and too much cap space to give up for any 1 player.

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01-20-2010, 02:14 PM
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Too many assets and too much cap space to give up for any 1 player.
Which combination of players would you consider to be too much?

Also, is 8-9 mil a season too much?

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01-20-2010, 02:19 PM
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Which combination of players would you consider to be too much?

Also, is 8-9 mil a season too much?
Schenn+JJ+1st in 2010+1st in 2011 would be way too much. I'd do Frolov+Teubert+1st but wouldn't pay Kovalchuk a penny over 8 million.

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01-20-2010, 02:26 PM
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I haven't really watched Kovalchuk but if his defensive game is as bad as Ovechkins then I don't think he is worth the money he is rumored to be asking for. Ovechkin's idea of D is stand around until my team gets the puck then get open for a pass.
What are you smoking? Ove's is leading the league in +/-.

He's an awesome player all around. He hits, hustles, and yes, plays solid D.

Maybe he won't win the Selke anytime soon, but he's far from what you describe him as.

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What are you smoking? Ove's is leading the league in +/-.

He's an awesome player all around. He hits, hustles, and yes, plays solid D.

Maybe he won't win the Selke anytime soon, but he's far from what you describe him as.
He's still lazy and not good defensively despite this misleading stat.

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01-20-2010, 02:36 PM
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What are you smoking? Ove's is leading the league in +/-.

He's an awesome player all around. He hits, hustles, and yes, plays solid D.

Maybe he won't win the Selke anytime soon, but he's far from what you describe him as.
He cherry picks more than any player since a player who wore # 99 played. He's not horrible at defending, far from it, but to say he plays solid D and hustles all the time is not accurate, imo.

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01-20-2010, 02:38 PM
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Schenn+JJ+1st in 2010+1st in 2011 would be way too much. I'd do Frolov+Teubert+1st but wouldn't pay Kovalchuk a penny over 8 million.
As far as value is concerned, I don't think it's too much. However, I'm not seeing enough salary going to ATL.

I too would like to see Fro be included in the trade but I don't know why ATL would want him unless, he was going to take Kovy's place on the russian line which is a possibility I suppose.

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He's still lazy and not good defensively despite this misleading stat.
You must not really like hockey....

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01-20-2010, 02:59 PM
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What are you smoking? Ove's is leading the league in +/-.

He's an awesome player all around. He hits, hustles, and yes, plays solid D.

Maybe he won't win the Selke anytime soon, but he's far from what you describe him as.
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As far as value is concerned, I don't think it's too much. However, I'm not seeing enough salary going to ATL.

I too would like to see Fro be included in the trade but I don't know why ATL would want him unless, he was going to take Kovy's place on the russian line which is a possibility I suppose.
Kings can't afford to trade Johnson without a capable defenseman coming back and I highly doubt DL trades Schenn.

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01-20-2010, 03:17 PM
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but wouldn't pay Kovalchuk a penny over 8 million.
This is why the Kings won't get anywhere.


You have to pay to get superstars. Kings need scoring in the worst way, and a bunch of lunch pail type of hockey players isn't going to get us very far.

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01-20-2010, 03:21 PM
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I would pay Kovie, about 9.2 million a year, this contract would be less what Ovie makes but in the same neighborhood.

Kings need that 40 goal and 90 point production in the worst way. I can't stress it enough.

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01-20-2010, 03:27 PM
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I would pay Kovie, about 9.2 million a year, this contract would be less what Ovie makes but in the same neighborhood.

Kings need that 40 goal and 90 point production in the worst way. I can't stress it enough.
Where's the cap space for Doughty, Johnson, and whoever else develops? I don't want to see a lineup like this....

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Moller
Clune-Richardson-Zeiler
Holloway-Gauthier-Cliche

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01-20-2010, 03:40 PM
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Where's the cap space for Doughty, Johnson, and whoever else develops? I don't want to see a lineup like this....

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Moller
Clune-Richardson-Zeiler
Holloway-Gauthier-Cliche
Lineup isn't going to look like that. Nice try...but no.

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Where's the cap space for Doughty, Johnson, and whoever else develops? I don't want to see a lineup like this....

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Moller
Clune-Richardson-Zeiler
Holloway-Gauthier-Cliche
When did they lower the salary cap down to 25 million?

Start worrying about salary cap when this team is actually worth a damn and progressing in the playoffs.

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Serious question, with the assets you guys have why wouldnt you just wait until hes a ufa unless he comes in at a steal.

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Short-term lineup

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Simmonds-Handzus-Moller
Insert your 4th line here.

I'm not worried about the future right now, Dean knows how to draft and seems to have a good grasp on the cap situations.

Keep in mind what Lombardi said a week ago.

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"if I’m sitting here with an old team, and I’m capped out, you’ve got a problem. But I’m sitting here with the youngest core in the league. I’ve got the cap space, if I have to do something."

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Am I the only one who really wouldn't mind giving up a deal built around Schenn for Kovy?

The more I think about it, the less 'untouchable' I consider Schenn if we are talking about the kind of talent a Kovy brings to the table.

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