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01-20-2010, 11:15 AM
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Habs pushing for lots of players

We all know Eklund and the BS he brings, but the rumors that he spreads are fun to discuss.

His latest update says that the Canadiens are looking at Kovalchuk, Selanne, Souray or Hannan, and Cogliano.

That would be a lot of money going out.

Discuss!

Source: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...--more/1/25622

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01-20-2010, 11:25 AM
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We have such crappy depth up front its ridiculous.

The drop off in talent from our current top 5 forwards to our bottom 6 forwards is so wide.

So I hope Gainey is looking at players....a lot of players.

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01-20-2010, 11:29 AM
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We all know Eklund and the BS he brings, but the rumors that he spreads are fun to discuss.

His latest update says that the Canadiens are looking at Kovalchuk, Selanne, Souray or Hannan, and Cogliano.

That would be a lot of money going out.

Discuss!

Source: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...--more/1/25622
I think that Montreal would love to bring Souray back and make him the captain and I think he would love it as well! He is exactly what this team needs and brings size, toughness, grit, a shot and leadership to the table.

To Montreal:


Sheldon Souray + Andrew Cogliano

To Edmonton:


Roman Hamrlik + Jaroslav Halak + Matt D'Agostini

In regards to Kovalchuk, Selanne and Hannan, I don't see it happening and I don't want to pay Kovalchuk the money he wants and Selanne won't come here is asked!

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01-20-2010, 11:31 AM
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We all know Eklund and the BS he brings, but the rumors that he spreads are fun to discuss.

His latest update says that the Canadiens are looking at Kovalchuk, Selanne, Souray or Hannan, and Cogliano.

That would be a lot of money going out.

Discuss!

Source: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...--more/1/25622
Besides Kovalchuk none of the other guys would help this team.I don't think we have the players to trade for Kovalchuk either so I don't see a deal happening

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01-20-2010, 11:42 AM
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I think that Montreal would love to bring Souray back and make him the captain and I think he would love it as well! He is exactly what this team needs and brings size, toughness, grit, a shot and leadership to the table.

To Montreal:


Sheldon Souray + Andrew Cogliano

To Edmonton:


Roman Hamrlik + Jaroslav Halak + Matt D'Agostini

In regards to Kovalchuk, Selanne and Hannan, I don't see it happening and I don't want to pay Kovalchuk the money he wants and Selanne won't come here is asked!
I don't think we need another (expensive) D who sucks in his own zone.

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01-20-2010, 11:46 AM
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Cogliano is irrelevant. What, is he going to play on our 3rd line? He can fit in my pocket. Metro and Moen are decent 3rd liners and Pacs is a young stud. Right now, our problem is in our 4th line. The third line is just in a slump. They were charged at the beginning of the season.

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01-20-2010, 11:46 AM
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The way we can make the Kovalchuk deal work is if Atlanta takes Hamrlik or Gomez from us and since Hamrlik only has one season left on his contract, it would be him.

To Montreal:

Ilya Kovalchuk

To Atlanta:

Roman Hamrlik + Andrei Kostitsyn + Sergei Kostitsyn + Matt D'Agostini

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I don't see Selanne leaving the Ducks regardless of where they are at the deadline.

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The way we can make the Kovalchuk deal work is if Atlanta takes Hamrlik or Gomez from us and since Hamrlik only has one season left on his contract, it would be him.

To Montreal:

Ilya Kovalchuk

To Atlanta:

Roman Hamrlik + Andrei Kostitsyn + Sergei Kostitsyn + Matt D'Agostini
This is Kovalchuk for the proverbial bag of pucks. Atlanta needs to get a big piece of future to give up this guy. Montreal doesn't have the package to do it.

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To New Jersey:
Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Pleks

To Montreal:
1st round pick 2010
Matt Halischuk
Matt Corrente
Brian Rolston
3rd round pick 2011


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In the current context if Gainey goes after a big name rental, Molson should throw him away on the street!
I think Gainey is bigger than Molson though… I am willing to help if necessary!

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01-20-2010, 12:05 PM
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To New Jersey:
Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Pleks

To Montreal:
1st round pick 2010
Matt Halischuk
Matt Corrente
Brian Rolston
3rd round pick 2011

No Cormier?

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01-20-2010, 12:08 PM
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We all know Eklund and the BS he brings, but the rumors that he spreads are fun to discuss.

His latest update says that the Canadiens are looking at Kovalchuk, Selanne, Souray or Hannan, and Cogliano.

That would be a lot of money going out.

Discuss!

Source: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...--more/1/25622
I can see some of the others but the Souray one makes no sense. The biggest area he could help is on PP and we are fine there, so I can't see Gainey being crazy enough to take that contract. Swapping him and Hamrlik would be another step backward 5 on 5.

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To Montreal:

Kovalchuck

To Atlanta:

AK
SK
Hamrlik
PK Subban
1st?

Is that even enough? Hypothetically, if we didn't sign him after giving all that then we're screwed...but it wont happen anyway.

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01-20-2010, 12:10 PM
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I would give up allot for Ilya Kovalchuk .... this guy is a super star !!! IMO !

Been here 5 years and I only have 113 posts just hmmmm... I guess I LIKE TO WATCH ahaha... Go Habs GO !

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Keep PK Subban out of this thread please.

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I wouldnt give up anything for him.
The Habs are not able to sign him next year.
So why waste what little assests they have to give

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To Montreal:

Kovalchuck

To Atlanta:

AK
SK
Hamrlik
PK Subban
1st?

Is that even enough? Hypothetically, if we didn't sign him after giving all that then we're screwed...but it wont happen anyway.
I think it's enough if not too much...but why the heck would the Habs trade all that for a rental. Plus by taking AK46 and Hamrlik out of the lineup, the short term net gain is not that big...yeah Kovalcuk will score 4-5 more goals than AK in the last 25 games but losing Hamrlik will lead to more GA, this year he's our best defensive d-man.

...that's not even mentionning the long term loss of AK, PK and the 1st or the ridiculous cap hit Kovalchuk would have. At an 8-9 mil cap hit he SHOULDN'T cost any player assets.

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01-20-2010, 12:23 PM
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exactly,come deadline time the Habs are always in on everybody

Ah well it gives us something to talk about...
Specially when Gainey will present in front of media:"I like our team and I think we can compete. That's why I didn't move today."

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I think it's enough if not too much...but why the heck would the Habs trade all that for a rental. Plus by taking AK46 and Hamrlik out of the lineup, the short term net gain is not that big...yeah Kovalcuk will score 4-5 more goals than AK in the last 25 games but losing Hamrlik will lead to more GA, this year he's our best defensive d-man.

...that's not even mentionning the long term loss of AK, PK and the 1st or the ridiculous cap hit Kovalchuk would have. At an 8-9 mil cap hit he SHOULDN'T cost any player assets.
I completely agree. I was just proposing something that ATL fans might consider valuable in a trade.

At the same time..this is what it might cost to get a superstar winger or centerman. Until we give something like this up, we wont have a superstar to build a team around because we sure as hell can't sign one and we're never crappy enough to pick in the top 3.

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I completely agree. I was just proposing something that ATL fans might consider valuable in a trade.

At the same time..this is what it might cost to get a superstar winger or centerman. Until we give something like this up, we wont have a superstar to build a team around because we sure as hell can't sign one and we're never crappy enough to pick in the top 3.
I don't consider Kovalchuk a superstar. To me he is a star and an impact player/game breaker...but would he really change our team that much.

In my opinion a guy like Markov makes as much of an impact on the game as he does(when healthy) and Price has the same level of talent(though he has not yet hit his prime).

Up front we have a lot of good pieces, but we need more depth so we are not always relying on 3-4 players, especially when injuries hit.

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01-20-2010, 12:38 PM
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I don't consider Kovalchuk a superstar. To me he is a star and an impact player/game breaker...but would he really change our team that much.

In my opinion a guy like Markov makes as much of an impact on the game as he does(when healthy) and Price has the same level of talent(though he has not yet hit his prime).

Up front we have a lot of good pieces, but we need more depth so we are not always relying on 3-4 players, especially when injuries hit.

In a nut shell..and I'm going to be captain obvious here...this team needs a lot more talent to rise from the last 15 years (aside from a few outliers) of mediocrity it has been stewing in.

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We have such crappy depth up front its ridiculous.

The drop off in talent from our current top 5 forwards to our bottom 6 forwards is so wide.

So I hope Gainey is looking at players....a lot of players.
I don't necessarily believe that. The problem is that the bottom 6 forwards are NOT playing their roles properly. If you're on the checking line (MOEN, LAPIERRE) be a checker! That sort of thing.

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If Montreal wants Kovalchuk, even as a rental, Atlanta said they want a simliar package as the one they got from Pittsburgh. Therefore:

1st rounder pick
2nd rounder pick
A. Kosty (scoring winger)
S. Kosty, Webber or Max Pac (young prospect)

Kovalchuk - Gomez - Gionta
Cammy - Plex - Pouliot
Moen - Metro - Patches/ S. Kosty
BGL - Lapierre - MAB

Looks pretty good to me. Expensive but good

After this type of package you'd then have to find the money to sign him to something like a 10 year $9-10M per for $90-100 Million.

If anyone thinks Burke droped the ball with the Kessel trade, this would be double the size of that move.


Something along these lines is whay I think Atlanta would be looking for imo.


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