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01-20-2010, 11:21 PM
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No one has forgotten that.



What players are we talking about here?

I think the biggest issue has been the Oilers trying to salvage players and not bringing legitmate NHLers into the lineup.

The biggest thing that has plagued this team since 05-06 has been the lack of depth throughout the lineup. Coaching isn't going to change or fix that.
Bingo.

You can't force AHLers onto your 3rd and 4th lines and ask kids/older players to play 5-6 minutes a night more than they are capable.

There is a residual effect throughout the organization.

The biggest issue I have with the Oilers brass is there continual need to plunk players into the lineup based on age/salary/waiver position/2 hot games in camp/dice roll, seemingly anything but production in our farm system.

One thing i admire about the Detroit system is their policy of not playing a player until he has earned the right to the promotion.

Where would the Oilers be if they signed or kept (Torres,GlenX, Reasoner) suitable NHLers, had Gagner and Cogs playing small minutes and had JFJ, Stone, MAP and Nilsson in the minors with the most productive among them getting call up on injury?

Talented kids on the 4th line
Prospects in the minors

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01-20-2010, 11:24 PM
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You dont know anything about me so save it. I remember it well as it was right after we shipped the heart and soul of the team out of town over the spare change in Katz's couch. That stretch had as much to do with Mact as this abomination of a season has had to do with Quinn. Which is nothing at all.
Well, at least you are inconsistent:

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Like when his team won 2 of their last 20 games? Yes, he really knew how to get the most out of his team. [/B].
Kinda funny how in your fantasy world mact was at the core of the Oiler woes but Quinn has nothing to do with them.
By the way, still think the Oilers are better without Hemsky?
Or are you really liking the exciting brand of hockey with the agressive forchek Quinnn brings?

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01-20-2010, 11:30 PM
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Well, at least you are inconsistent:



Kinda funny how in your fantasy world mact was at the core of the Oiler woes but Quinn has nothing to do with them.
By the way, still think the Oilers are better without Hemsky?
Or are you really liking the exciting brand of hockey with the agressive forchek Quinnn brings?
We actually do use a forecheck, unlike last year, but I wouldnt expect you to be able to tell the difference. I never said the other garbage that you allege.

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01-20-2010, 11:50 PM
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We actually do use a forecheck, unlike last year, but I wouldnt expect you to be able to tell the difference. I never said the other garbage that you allege.
No, thats true. You were very benign in your comments about Mact & his effect on the team. And i guess it must have been some other guy who said Quinn really brings out of these guys an exciting team.
And I must have you confused with some other guy who was of the view that a mini run the Oilers had when Hemmer was out was some proof he wasnt as important to the team as some would suggest.
Sorry bout all that

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01-21-2010, 01:51 AM
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Yup, many conveniently forget that.



That is debatable although probably not too far from the likeliest scenario. IMO A coaching change needed to have been made sooner than it was. Maybe some players could've been salvaged or maybe not. Either way I certainly don't regret the coaching change my only regret is that Lowe didn't leave the same time that MacT did.
I agree with you BBO. Even though we stood on opposite sides of what we thought about MacT, I don't think that MacT would have done any better this year with this crew. I've thought that it was the players that was the problem, but I didn't like how he treated Penner or that last outburst on Schremp.

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01-21-2010, 03:26 AM
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I don't think either side in the whole MacT debate has really been proven right or wrong exactly. A few people were delusional and thought that previous rosters were strong and that MacT was somehow blunting the groups effectiveness, but for the most part people just wanted a change. He seemed worn down and frustrated and like he wasn't going to be able to right the ship.

He was given a crappy team, he got crappy results. Quinn is doing the same. Personally I think Quinn was a poor choice, and in a way consistent with the team's obsession with landing a big name, but whatever, I think a better coach who hasn't had the game pass him by would be detrimental to the tank. Lots of bad rosters around the league get decent results and mediocre draft picks, that won't happen under Quinn. Sometimes it seems like everybody is in on it (F4H) except for him and it's a cruel joke.

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01-21-2010, 03:29 AM
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I'm still glad that Mac-T is gone. He forgot what Oilers hockey was all about. To some extent he realized how bad our team was but that doesn't mean we can start playing like the Wild/Devils do. I refuse to watch hockey if my team starts trapping after they get a 1 goal lead.

If it's not Mac-T's fault, then it's most certinaly K-Lowe's fault.

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01-21-2010, 09:39 AM
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I don't think either side in the whole MacT debate has really been proven right or wrong exactly. A few people were delusional and thought that previous rosters were strong and that MacT was somehow blunting the groups effectiveness, but for the most part people just wanted a change. He seemed worn down and frustrated and like he wasn't going to be able to right the ship.

He was given a crappy team, he got crappy results. Quinn is doing the same. Personally I think Quinn was a poor choice, and in a way consistent with the team's obsession with landing a big name, but whatever, I think a better coach who hasn't had the game pass him by would be detrimental to the tank. Lots of bad rosters around the league get decent results and mediocre draft picks, that won't happen under Quinn. Sometimes it seems like everybody is in on it (F4H) except for him and it's a cruel joke.
Why dont you give us some concrete examples of how the game has passed Quinn by? What is he doing wrong? What should he be doing that he isnt doing?

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01-21-2010, 09:47 AM
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Why dont you give us some concrete examples of how the game has passed Quinn by? What is he doing wrong? What should he be doing that he isnt doing?
He could try matching lines.

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01-21-2010, 10:07 AM
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He could try matching lines.
He's gotten better at that.

Vancouver was the first game I really paid attention, but he put 34-10-18 against the Sedins nearly every shift.

Whether you necessarily want to put 18 out there is questionable, but 34-10 are a good combo to use.

I'd like to see what 19 could do on that line.

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01-21-2010, 10:43 AM
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I'm just glad that we're actually bad instead of mediocre. We'll finally be able to draft a superstar next year.

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I'm just glad that we're actually bad instead of mediocre. We'll finally be able to draft a superstar next year.
Agreed, it is well beyond time that we did that. If you look at it, it's been all downhill since the cup run, unless they could've turned it around this year a few key injuries meant that we'd be as bad as we are now. I've been preaching for a top draft talent for years, hopefully this is the year that we finally get our franchise player through the draft.

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01-21-2010, 12:59 PM
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He could try matching lines.
Last night he had Moreau Horcoff and Pisani out against the Sedin's all night. What are you talking about?

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01-21-2010, 01:57 PM
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Last night he had Moreau Horcoff and Pisani out against the Sedin's all night. What are you talking about?
Ya and Horcoff is an awesome player because he potted 70 points one season.

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01-21-2010, 02:11 PM
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Last night he had Moreau Horcoff and Pisani out against the Sedin's all night. What are you talking about?
One game does not make a season and even in last nights game Quinn thought his best option was to have Strudwick on the ice during the 4 on 3.
There are plenty of examples this season where Quinn has dropped the ball in that regard.

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01-21-2010, 02:16 PM
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He's gotten better at that.
Agreed. The matching was much harder than before from what I could observe. Obviously someone else is running the changes but I have no doubt Quinn makes that decision.

He was also very careful to put Strudwick out there when the Oilers were looking like they might pull out a win. Just sayin'.

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01-21-2010, 02:17 PM
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One game does not make a season and even in last nights game Quinn thought his best option was to have Strudwick on the ice during the 4 on 3.
There are plenty of examples this season where Quinn has dropped the ball in that regard.
The guy wasnt responsible for either goal. He is one of two guys that were available and are capable and willing to move bodies out of the crease, which is what you want in that situation. He didnt drop the ball in this case, maybe you would like to detail the times he did? I think his roster decisions have been mostly ok especially considering the circumstances he is dealing with.

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The guy wasnt responsible for either goal. He is one of two guys that were available and are capable and willing to move bodies out of the crease, which is what you want in that situation. He didnt drop the ball in this case, maybe you would like to detail the times he did? I think his roster decisions have been mostly ok especially considering the circumstances he is dealing with.
Staios should have been on that PK over either of Souray or Struds.

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Staios should have been on that PK over either of Souray or Struds.
I agree, but he wasnt in the lineup so that option was unavailable.

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