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01-20-2010, 06:24 PM
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Truthfully, we cannot be much worse without Tomas Kaberle...I like the guy, but we are at the bottom in the standings...this team has no future to look forward to outside of Nazem Kadri. Time to get rid of Kaberle for a top forward prospect. I want a Kaberle deal that will put us on the winning side...


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01-20-2010, 06:30 PM
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any trade for kaberle would have to include kassian and 2010 first.

Otherwise he doesnt go to buffalo. we can add to our side if the trade needs to be bigger to be more balanced. But without kassian and the 2010 first. its a no go.


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01-20-2010, 07:14 PM
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make the trade & Burkie can flip the player(s) to some other team he can rook.

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01-20-2010, 07:36 PM
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Truthfully, we cannot be much worse without Tomas Kaberle...I like the guy, but we are at the bottom in the standings...this team has no future to look forward to outside of Nazem Kadri. Time to get rid of Kaberle for a top forward prospect. I want a Kaberle deal that will put us on the winning side...
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any trade for kaberle would have to include kassian and 2010 first.

Otherwise he doesnt go to buffalo. we can add to our side if the trade needs to be bigger to be more balanced. But without kassian and the 2010 first. its a no go.
i think we have a lot to get excited about outside of kadri.

i dont think kassian is the player i would try to target as a return for kaberle. i would much rather a package around enroth, stafford, and a 1st. stafford and kulemin are similar imo and enroth looks to be a pretty decent goaltending prospect. with him we can bring joey mac to back up montster or a version of him (biron etc) and let reimer/enroth develop on the marlies just incase the monster isnt so monsterous.

i think if a trade similar to this went through the leafs would look pretty good moving forward.

next season potentially something like....


kulemin bozak kessel
stafford kadri stalberg
poni stajan stempniak
rosehill/blake primeau orr


white schenn
beauch gunnarson
komi finger
oreskovic


monster
1b goalie hopefully

on the farm we still have blacker, hanson, mikus, damigo, d.mitchell, enroth, plus whatever we draft this summer

trade grabs, hagman, mayers, mitchell and anything else not bolted down.

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01-20-2010, 08:33 PM
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I believe the GAA of the pk with Gustavsson in net, compared to Toskalas is pretty dramatic, right?
Last I saw they were, but that was before the holidays, before Primeau and Komisarek went down. I expect they're still different, but I'm not sure how much.

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01-20-2010, 08:59 PM
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i think we have a lot to get excited about outside of kadri.

i dont think kassian is the player i would try to target as a return for kaberle. i would much rather a package around enroth, stafford, and a 1st. stafford and kulemin are similar imo and enroth looks to be a pretty decent goaltending prospect. with him we can bring joey mac to back up montster or a version of him (biron etc) and let reimer/enroth develop on the marlies just incase the monster isnt so monsterous.

i think if a trade similar to this went through the leafs would look pretty good moving forward.

next season potentially something like....


kulemin bozak kessel
stafford kadri stalberg
poni stajan stempniak
rosehill/blake primeau orr


white schenn
beauch gunnarson
komi finger
oreskovic


monster
1b goalie hopefully

on the farm we still have blacker, hanson, mikus, damigo, d.mitchell, enroth, plus whatever we draft this summer

trade grabs, hagman, mayers, mitchell and anything else not bolted down.
With a roster like this exactly how does the PK get better? That whole 3rd line needs to go in favor of more grit and guys who excel in the PK in my opinion

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01-20-2010, 09:04 PM
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With a roster like this exactly how does the PK get better? That whole 3rd line needs to go in favor of more grit and guys who excel in the PK in my opinion
Would not hurt if they were a little cheaper too, the 3rd line that is. Can we have a 3rd line that makes between $8-$10 million dollars?

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01-20-2010, 09:22 PM
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I wonder if a deal could be struck with Edmonton for Kaberle, reuniting him with Pat Quinn? This would be if Edmonton thinks they can do a quick turnaround. Maybe we could get Patty O'Sullivan or Ales Hemsky and a spare kid or something?

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01-21-2010, 12:15 AM
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i think we have a lot to get excited about outside of kadri.

i dont think kassian is the player i would try to target as a return for kaberle. i would much rather a package around enroth, stafford, and a 1st. stafford and kulemin are similar imo and enroth looks to be a pretty decent goaltending prospect. with him we can bring joey mac to back up montster or a version of him (biron etc) and let reimer/enroth develop on the marlies just incase the monster isnt so monsterous.

i think if a trade similar to this went through the leafs would look pretty good moving forward.

next season potentially something like....


kulemin bozak kessel
stafford kadri stalberg
poni stajan stempniak
rosehill/blake primeau orr


white schenn
beauch gunnarson
komi finger
oreskovic


monster
1b goalie hopefully

on the farm we still have blacker, hanson, mikus, damigo, d.mitchell, enroth, plus whatever we draft this summer

trade grabs, hagman, mayers, mitchell and anything else not bolted down.
you do realize that you have 8 million tied up in our 5/6 dmen right? That's not good cap management. One of the two also have to be moved in the off season. Finger to the AHL or Komi for something good up front. I have way more interest in adding Kassian then I do Stafford also. I wanted him badly last draft and if we could add him through a trade for Kaberle I would be through the roof.

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01-21-2010, 12:17 AM
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I wonder if a deal could be struck with Edmonton for Kaberle, reuniting him with Pat Quinn? This would be if Edmonton thinks they can do a quick turnaround. Maybe we could get Patty O'Sullivan or Ales Hemsky and a spare kid or something?
What does Quinn have to do with Kaberle? Why on earth would Edmonton be looking to add? You do realize their behind us in the standings right? Edmonton has zero need for him on their back end.

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01-21-2010, 12:37 AM
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What does Quinn have to do with Kaberle? Why on earth would Edmonton be looking to add? You do realize their behind us in the standings right? Edmonton has zero need for him on their back end.
Zero need as in they never need a puck moving defenseman again, or that they are run by hfboard youth zealots or what? Quinn and company didn't move Kaberle for Lecavalier, Lindros and Pronger over the years so he probably holds him in high regard. Rebuilding teams still need vets. The Penguins added Gonchar after they drafted Crosby and Malkin. If they can move out a redundant part i.e. smallish offensive forward for a puck moving QB who is affordable, maybe they do it.

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01-21-2010, 11:10 AM
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I'd be happy for Kaberle if he were moved to a team with a real shot at winning it all. He's a talented, classy guy, and could make a huge difference on a team with a lot of firepower. Imagine him on Washington's PP feeding Ovie, Green, Backstrom, Semin, or with Pittsburgh setting up Crosby, Malkin and Gonchar. Beats the hell out of playing on our PP where, outside of Kessel, he's stuck working with Stempniak, Stajan and Ponikarovsky. Who would you rather be on the ice with?

And from our point of view, it makes sense to move him. He's the only asset we have (besides Schenn and Kadri who aren't going anywhere) that would get us anything significant in return. Our top picks are gone, so outside of the longshot of somehow signing Kovalchuk as a UFA, we have no other way of getting any impact players to play up front with Kessel and Kadri.

Moving him would be good for everyone.

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01-21-2010, 11:07 PM
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Zero need as in they never need a puck moving defenseman again, or that they are run by hfboard youth zealots or what? Quinn and company didn't move Kaberle for Lecavalier, Lindros and Pronger over the years so he probably holds him in high regard. Rebuilding teams still need vets. The Penguins added Gonchar after they drafted Crosby and Malkin. If they can move out a redundant part i.e. smallish offensive forward for a puck moving QB who is affordable, maybe they do it.
The deals for Vinnie and Lindros both fell apart because of injury to Antropov. Vinnie broke out while Nik was hurt and the trade was taken off the table. I believe the same happened in the Lindros deal. I don't remember any trade involving Pronger and Kaberle so I can't comment on that. They have a bunch of offensive dmen right now they would be looking for a shutdown guy if anything. That's what I mean by them having no need for him. Your argument for Kaberle going to Edmonton could easily be made in reverse for the leafs. Teams in our position generally aren't looking for high price pieces instead they tend to gear towards youth.

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01-21-2010, 11:15 PM
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The deals for Vinnie and Lindros both fell apart because of injury to Antropov. Vinnie broke out while Nik was hurt and the trade was taken off the table. I believe the same happened in the Lindros deal. I don't remember any trade involving Pronger and Kaberle so I can't comment on that. They have a bunch of offensive dmen right now they would be looking for a shutdown guy if anything. That's what I mean by them having no need for him. Your argument for Kaberle going to Edmonton could easily be made in reverse for the leafs. Teams in our position generally aren't looking for high price pieces instead they tend to gear towards youth.
The way I remember it, with Lindros, The leafs wouldn't budge from giving up Markov instead of Kaberle and that's why the deal died.

With Pronger, it was Ferguson refusing to add Steen instead of Stajan if I remember correctly

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The deals for Vinnie and Lindros both fell apart because of injury to Antropov. Vinnie broke out while Nik was hurt and the trade was taken off the table. I believe the same happened in the Lindros deal. I don't remember any trade involving Pronger and Kaberle so I can't comment on that. They have a bunch of offensive dmen right now they would be looking for a shutdown guy if anything. That's what I mean by them having no need for him. Your argument for Kaberle going to Edmonton could easily be made in reverse for the leafs. Teams in our position generally aren't looking for high price pieces instead they tend to gear towards youth.
In the Leafs case, I would be very happy if we landed a high priced veteran like Kovalchuk. Kaberle, to a lesser extent could help Edmonton.

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I wonder if a deal could be struck with Edmonton for Kaberle, reuniting him with Pat Quinn? This would be if Edmonton thinks they can do a quick turnaround. Maybe we could get Patty O'Sullivan or Ales Hemsky and a spare kid or something?
Edmonton will be going in a completely different direction. That's a quick fix scenario. I think they're focused more long term than that.

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In the Leafs case, I would be very happy if we landed a high priced veteran like Kovalchuk. Kaberle, to a lesser extent could help Edmonton.
Is Burke talking to Lowe?

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