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01-22-2010, 08:42 AM
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Face it, Girardi was in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. If it were myself, I choose "do", but to me that was just the lesser of two evils

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01-22-2010, 08:42 AM
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I looked at the fight at hockeyfights.com and the closest one to Gaborik when the fight started was actually Del Zotto. He backed off and then Girardi came over.

Either way, one of them (or both of them) should have jumped into the fray.

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01-22-2010, 08:55 AM
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I looked at the fight at hockeyfights.com and the closest one to Gaborik when the fight started was actually Del Zotto. He backed off and then Girardi came over.

Either way, one of them (or both of them) should have jumped into the fray.
I was seriously just about to write this after watching the video, Del Zotto did nothing also, there is a TOTAL LACK of camaraderie with this team i guess that's their theme this year, under Renney this team was a lot tighter but lets not beat a dead horse.

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Flyers Coach reaction to the Fight 3:35 in

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.js...=1001&id=57962

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01-22-2010, 09:09 AM
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I was seriously just about to write this after watching the video, Del Zotto did nothing also, there is a TOTAL LACK of camaraderie with this team i guess that's their theme this year, under Renney this team was a lot tighter but lets not beat a dead horse.
Thats not true either.

This has been a problem for years, this isn't anything new.

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01-22-2010, 09:11 AM
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Thats not true either.

This has been a problem for years, this isn't anything new.
I dont seem to remember anyone dropping their gloves and beating the **** out of Jagr.

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I dont seem to remember anyone dropping their gloves and beating the **** out of Jagr.
Jagr also never dropped his own gloves.

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01-22-2010, 09:17 AM
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While I believe that Girardi, or some other Ranger should have stepped in. Andrew Gross does make a good point that Girardi would have been tossed, we would have had to play the rest of the game a man down and put them on a powerplay. Also, Gaborik did drop his gloves and all Carcillo did was try to get him away from jumping in on the scrum that Dubinsky was involved in. It's a tough line, hockey players know what they're getting themselves into when they drop their gloves. With that said, I feel that if it wasn't an immediate reaction, then it just shows how gutless the Rangers really are. You need to protect your best player, especially when the other team's good is fighting him.

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01-22-2010, 09:21 AM
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While I believe that Girardi, or some other Ranger should have stepped in. Andrew Gross does make a good point that Girardi would have been tossed, we would have had to play the rest of the game a man down and put them on a powerplay. Also, Gaborik did drop his gloves and all Carcillo did was try to get him away from jumping in on the scrum that Dubinsky was involved in. It's a tough line, hockey players know what they're getting themselves into when they drop their gloves. With that said, I feel that if it wasn't an immediate reaction, then it just shows how gutless the Rangers really are. You need to protect your best player, especially when the other team's good is fighting him.
Yea, but honestly, who gives a ****? Sometimes a message is bigger than the game, especially against a divisional rival. The team was flat, and your best player just got dropped by that greasy **** Carcillo. If youre not going to make a statement at that time, then when?

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01-22-2010, 09:23 AM
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Yea, but honestly, who gives a ****? Sometimes a message is bigger than the game, especially against a divisional rival. The team was flat, and your best player just got dropped by that greasy **** Carcillo. If youre not going to make a statement at that time, then when?
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01-22-2010, 09:27 AM
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Yea, but honestly, who gives a ****? Sometimes a message is bigger than the game, especially against a divisional rival. The team was flat, and your best player just got dropped by that greasy **** Carcillo. If youre not going to make a statement at that time, then when?
ABSO-FRIGGIN-LUTELY!!!


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01-22-2010, 09:29 AM
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Thats not true either.

This has been a problem for years, this isn't anything new.
Is it really untrue to say that this team isn't as close as teams in the previous couple seasons? I'm not saying it wasn't a problem in the past but it's as bad as ever now I think.

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01-22-2010, 09:32 AM
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at a minimum, Girardi needs to get in there and make sure Carcillo doesn't get in a punch on Gaborik. You can see Girardi come in, the peel back - he was worried about the faceoff coming out of the circle. Not sure who taught him to let his best player, with one career fight, fend for himself against a guy who can fight. Not that he had to fight, but he should've intervened.

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01-22-2010, 09:36 AM
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Yea, but honestly, who gives a ****? Sometimes a message is bigger than the game, especially against a divisional rival. The team was flat, and your best player just got dropped by that greasy **** Carcillo. If youre not going to make a statement at that time, then when?
This man speaks the truth.

This team needed to take a stand a long time ago. What happened last night should have been the final straw.

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01-22-2010, 09:50 AM
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Dale Rolfe should have jumped onto the ice and pushed Gaborik aside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82pEAetLXrY

Imagine the reactions here if that happened today.


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Does Charlie Daniels play a mean fiddle?

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Girardi has to do something there. I don't care about playing with 5 Defensemen for the rest of the game. There are moments in a long season where statements need to be made. That moment was last night and no statement was made. Gaborik is a tough guy and doesn't back down from anyone, I commend him for that. His teammates shouldn't have allowed that situation to get as far as it got, and they did.

What is lost in all this is that Henrik got run over again last night by Asham. Redden and Higgins stood there and did absolutely nothing. Has Higgins ever gotten into a fight in the NHL? Or is he above having to stick up for his teammates with his whopping 6 goals and 13 points on the year?

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01-22-2010, 10:13 AM
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Aside from his pushing opponents in the back with one hand off of his stick, I'm not sure why anyone thinks Girardi is any sort of tough guy.

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01-22-2010, 10:15 AM
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for those who played hockey...

if your top player who never fights is gettin knocked around by a fighter... YOU JUMP IN. regardless!! I'm sorry... but Girardi wasn't thinking "oh well its a 1-0 game"... it should just be a natural reaction to pound anyone who messes with your teammate.

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01-22-2010, 10:19 AM
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another reason I don't like Girardi. You see, we have an ENTIRE TEAM of these cowards.

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Gaborik and Lundqvist should always be protected no matter what. Without either of the two, this team wouldn't win a game. I'm officially on the "don't resign the soft Dan Girardi" bandwagon.

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01-22-2010, 10:41 AM
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for those who played hockey...

if your top player who never fights is gettin knocked around by a fighter... YOU JUMP IN. regardless!! I'm sorry... but Girardi wasn't thinking "oh well its a 1-0 game"... it should just be a natural reaction to pound anyone who messes with your teammate.

in my opinion
It was natural to stick up for my teammates, but sometimes I wouldnt think at all, just react, and I ended up doing things i'm not proud of, and rightfully I was suspended.

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It all happened way too fast for me to fault Girardi. In hindsight he probably should've stepped in, but, can't really fault him. It was a scrum where everyone should've been squared off and it seemed like nothing else would happen, Gaborik and Carcillo got away from everyone else, and 30 seconds later(if that) the fights over

The Ovechkin fight isn't a fair comparison at all. There was an incident between Downie and Ovechkin earlier in the game that probably set off a light in everyone on that bench's head to say to themselves "hmmm...Downie's probably gonna wanna fight Ovie, we should make sure we protect him." And then even when it happened they squared off, they didn't just get in to a fight after a scrum. At no point to my knowledge did anything happen between Carcillo and Gaborik, it just happened.

What I can't believe is how immature this team showed it can be, we never got over what happened to Gaborik and just went out trying to goon it up the rest of the game. Any offensive flow we had before the Gaborik incident was gone. It would've been much sweeter to have won than to get into 80 fights about it. Dubi's reaction after the no-goal at the end says it all, they were all celebrating the goal with 0 seconds on the clock. WHO CARES if you scored a goal and ruined the shutout(which they didnt after review), you still lost!

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01-22-2010, 10:43 AM
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Gaborik and Lundqvist should always be protected no matter what. Without either of the two, this team wouldn't win a game. I'm officially on the "don't resign the soft Dan Girardi" bandwagon.
Its not Girardi that is the problem. Its the attitude of the entire team. The Rangers need a big, mean defenseman badly. Just because Girardi isnt that doesnt mean he isnt valuable to this team.

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01-22-2010, 10:46 AM
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Its not Girardi that is the problem. Its the attitude of the entire team. The Rangers need a big, mean defenseman badly. Just because Girardi isnt that doesnt mean he isnt valuable to this team.
sens fan here, you hit the nail on the head there.

They shouldnt do it because they are obligated they should jump in because they want to, they did not look like a hockey team there.

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