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01-23-2010, 06:58 PM
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I have no problem with a local kid who plays for the Habs receiving praise IJ. (Great nickname btw ).

My problem with RDS is they gush over opposing teams players because they are French Canadian. When they should be concentrating more on our team. I've lost count at how many times I've heard an RDS announcer drool while talking about an opposing teams "French Canadian" player.
ya, have to agree with that. They go overboard. You just know when we play the other team and one of their fanboys is on it, they will get Gelinas or Lavoie to "hang" with them and shoot the ****.

I'm proud to be from Quebec and I'm happy for Darche just cuz of what he's had to go through, so fine with that. Somewhat ok with Lappy being the new Lats (Benoit was counting the stats for all the secondary scorers, in the sense that they were bad. After he mentioned Laps, he followed with, "but you can't really count Lapierre cuz he's mostly on the 4th line", which btw is bs) cuz it's only Brunet. Not happy about the ragging on Russians, Finns, basically non-Quebecers cuz as much as I loathe Cherry, it's the same kind of provincial xenophobia. The thing is, it's not like it happens once in awhile. It's ALL the time. Anytime we play the Bruins (OUR RIVALS!!!!), they chat with Bergeron when I want him to go f himself rather than interview. Leafs -- Beauchemin. Then there are the disgruntled X-Habs who are franco.

One thing to be proud, another to be radical. I think Demers has the right sentiment and levels of adulation (i.e. in check). Joel too. He'll give credit and criticism where it's due, independent of creed, but like, yes, all of us Montrealers, is proud when a French Canadian is doing well, but might not shove it in our face when it's at the expense of the team (please don't talk to Pominville after he schools us, I'm not in the mood).

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I am not anglo, and I am not quebecer, bu I've been here for 20+ years and I bet that the english quebecers don't give a rats ass about the french quebecers being proud or not. We all live in the same province, so what's good for you is good for us, and everyone else.
The 2 solitudes is a very real "phenomenon".

See H10H's post ? It irks him that RDS talks about quebec players. I don't hold it against him. He's a nice guy. But it still bothers him that RDS speaks highly of french canadian players on other teams. I know that there are TONS of english quebecers who feel the exact same way he does.

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01-23-2010, 07:03 PM
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The 2 solitudes is a very real "phenomenon".

See H10H's post ? It irks him that RDS talks about quebec players. I don't hold it against him. He's a nice guy. But it still bothers him that RDS speaks highly of french canadian players on other teams. I know that there are TONS of english quebecers who feel the exact same way he does.
I'm pretty sure that he clearly said/meant "more than players (of any background) on the actual Habs team". Huge difference, but let's just say I'm not surprised at how it got distilled down in the end...

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01-23-2010, 07:06 PM
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What irks me, are people who want me to acknowledge and care about something that a player can't change/"improve", and doesn't affect the quality of the team even one iota.

Imagine Edmonton being expected/"forced" to scour the families of men working in refineries/oil fields to find the next great personification of their local culture who will represent and be the face of their NHL franchise... it's just as ridiculous.

Actually, before I go out for the night, I'll go one step further into the absurd. Imagine Vancouver felt the pressure to recruit and play the best Chinese player possible (no matter how bad he actually was) to pay homage to all the local Chinese families whose entire history in this country is tied to the building of the railroads. Heck, death-defying slavery is waay worse than the French have ever suffered, and arguably represents the more defining moment in history for either culture in this country (as an aside, any idea how many Chinese people live in Vancouver vs the number of "pure-laine" in Montreal?)

In the end it's absolutely absurd to bring any of this up. It's not against board rules to bring up language/culture because the anglo administration intends to ignore it as best possible. It's because it has absolutely no bearing on how professional sports teams are run and organized in this day and age, whether anyone likes it or not.
My point is that people from Quebec associate with the Lecavaliers, Brieres, etc.

They'd like the habs to have local stars on the team. Barring that, they want to hear about them on other teams.

I never said anything about not liking a player or thinking less of him if he doesn't come from here.

BTW, I was always Koivu's #1 fan and fiercely defended him whenever people blamed him for not learning french.

I'm for having the best team possible regardless of origin. I'm for getting rid of bad players that are french canadians (theodore, I was one of his main critic when everyone loved him). But I'm against giving up on local players that could have been successful here (ribeiro, latendresse).

I think the habs have a history of winning with local players. I think it's something that should be focused on if possible. We've had plenty of chances to draft or trade for excellent local players. And want it or not, a lot of people are going to feel stronger about these players than if they were from the united states or from british columbia.

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BTW, the fact the habs are one of the winningest franchise of all time plays a part here. If the habs were winning with Mikko Filipulas, Mike Beringers, Shane Donovans and Dimitri Tukonovs you would barely hear a blip. You say we should focus on icing the best team possible, but we've been focusing on the best player possible while overlooking better local players and losing in the process and that's where a lot of the envy comes from. We look at those local players that are better than ours that we could have gotten and can't help but think that some of those BPA players were actually local players that we passed over.


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I'm pretty sure that he clearly said/meant "more than players (of any background) on the actual Habs team". Huge difference, but let's just say I'm not surprised at how it got distilled down in the end...
Except RDS, or any other quebec medias don't actually not talk about the habs ?

Are we seriously thinking that the habs are not covered enough, or put aside in favor of coverage of quebec players on other teams ? I mean, are we really arguing over that ?

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Except RDS, or any other quebec medias don't actually not talk about the habs ?

Are we seriously thinking that the habs are not covered enough, or put aside in favor of coverage of quebec players on other teams ? I mean, are we really arguing over that ?
I haven't even stepped one foot on that boat. That's all yours.

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I haven't even stepped one foot on that boat. That's all yours.
Well, you quoted my post that was quoting H10H and took issue with it. I'm explaining where my thoughts come from.

One can't possibly think that the habs are not receiving enough coverage. So if that's not it, what is it then ? Why is it annoying or irksome that RDS covers french players on other teams every chance they get ? Isn't that normal ?

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The 2 solitudes is a very real "phenomenon".

See H10H's post ? It irks him that RDS talks about quebec players. I don't hold it against him. He's a nice guy. But it still bothers him that RDS speaks highly of french canadian players on other teams. I know that there are TONS of english quebecers who feel the exact same way he does.
You're kind of misquoting me. It doesn't irk me that RDS talks about Quebec players. It irks me when they go overboard talking about Quebec born players who play on opposing teams.

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Well, you quoted my post that was quoting H10H and took issue with it. I'm explaining where my thoughts come from.

One can't possibly think that the habs are not receiving enough coverage. So if that's not it, what is it then ? Why is it annoying or irksome that RDS covers french players on other teams every chance they get ? Isn't that normal ?
Well for me I watch RDS because they cover the Habs. When they are spending a lot of time discussing other teams players, I'm really not interested.

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