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01-23-2010, 08:11 PM
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Why is our GF stat consistently low?

Just browsed thru the stats from 2002/2003 - 2008/2009 & noticed we are normally found in the lower middle or at the bottom of the league in goals scored. In fact the highest we've placed during the last 6 seasons is a middling 14th.

What gives here? How can a team struggle to score goals year after year? Even teams routinely below us in the final standing pot more goals than we do. Scoring goals & NYR just don't seem to go together. I could deal with it if it happened hear n there, but to consistently be known as "that team who can't buy a goal no matter who is on their roster" is so frustrating...

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01-23-2010, 08:13 PM
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I know this is a bizarre coincidence so let's not all get worked up about it, but Glen Sather has also happened to be our only GM during that time span. Pretty weird occurrence.

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Probably because our team is consistently not very good?

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01-23-2010, 08:24 PM
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Our scoring potential is incredible, and we have the deepest front office in the league. What does that leave?

Clearly, Tom Renney's system stifles the offensive dynamo that Sather has assembled.

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01-23-2010, 08:38 PM
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Just browsed thru the stats from 2002/2003 - 2008/2009 & noticed we are normally found in the lower middle or at the bottom of the league in goals scored. In fact the highest we've placed during the last 6 seasons is a middling 14th.

What gives here? How can a team struggle to score goals year after year? Even teams routinely below us in the final standing pot more goals than we do. Scoring goals & NYR just don't seem to go together. I could deal with it if it happened hear n there, but to consistently be known as "that team who can't buy a goal no matter who is on their roster" is so frustrating...
I've said it before many many times. The teams Sather builds are all finesse. Too small and too soft to generate prime scoring opportunities against any defensemen or forwards with size. He rarely goes after scorers that have any size, or should I say have size and take advantage of it.

Always too small. Always too soft.

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01-23-2010, 08:43 PM
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I've said it before many many times. The teams Sather builds are all finesse. Too small and too soft to generate prime scoring opportunities against any defensemen or forwards with size. He rarely goes after scorers that have any size, or should I say have size and take advantage of it.

Always too small. Always too soft.
Eric Lindros, Anson Carter, Jaromir Jagr, Mark Messier...

There arent very many Jarome Iginlas in the league.

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The teams Sather builds are all finesse. Too small and too soft to generate prime scoring opportunities against any defensemen or forwards with size. He rarely goes after scorers that have any size, or should I say have size and take advantage of it.

Always too small. Always too soft.
He rectified that with the Jessiman pick though. You'll see. Big guys just take a little longer to develop.

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Because the teams haven't been good.

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Because Tom Renney's system is stifling the offensive of our players.

...wait.

Really though, it's because we're just not that good.

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01-23-2010, 08:53 PM
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Eric Lindros, Anson Carter, Jaromir Jagr, Mark Messier...

There arent very many Jarome Iginlas in the league.
Eric Lindros - Post concussion. Big but played soft by the time he was here

Jagr - Big, but not gritty

Carter - Big but not physical. Played soft and sucked here

Messier - Neil Smith brought him in.

You're missing my point. You can't have all finesse players. You have to add beef and grit to play along side your skilled players. Even our defensemen are small and soft with the exception of Staal and he doesn't have as much of a mean streak as he should. DZ plays tough but he's not big.

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01-23-2010, 09:17 PM
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Because Tom Renney's system is stifling the offensive of our players.

...wait.

Really though, it's because we're just not that good.
I think this year though you also have to acknowledge that..

1)We are a very young team. Going by NHLNumbers (which isnt the most accurate site to be fair) we are the 6th youngest team in the league.

2)Almost all of our Vets (players 30+) (Redden, Rozsival, Drury, Brashear, and Kotalik) are having not just bad, but horrific seasons, with the 1 bright spot being Prospal.

It's really tough to have a young team, where basically none of the vets are playing even remotely good hockey.

I'm not necessarily talking about why we arent scoring goals, but why we arent playing good hockey for the vast majority of our games.

It's been rare this season where you can say the Rangers played well but lost. It's been far more common for them to play Poor<->OK and win....that's thanks to our goalie, and our phenomenal sniper.

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01-23-2010, 09:23 PM
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Short answer: Because we have THE WORST GM IN THE LEAGUE.

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01-23-2010, 09:25 PM
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Eric Lindros - Post concussion. Big but played soft by the time he was here

Jagr - Big, but not gritty

Carter - Big but not physical. Played soft and sucked here

Messier - Neil Smith brought him in.

You're missing my point. You can't have all finesse players. You have to add beef and grit to play along side your skilled players. Even our defensemen are small and soft with the exception of Staal and he doesn't have as much of a mean streak as he should. DZ plays tough but he's not big.
I don't really agree.

Frankly, I don't think there is any 1 way to win. I think the previous winners prove that out pretty damn well. Wings have never been a strong gritty team, they are fast, skilled, and have Holmstrom and The Mule to clean up the garbage...the Toronto Maple Leafs tried to go all big and gritty and are a horrible, horrible hockey team. The Ducks won with size and grit, sure, but they also had Selanne, Neidermeyer, Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, etc who could also put the puck in the net.

I think the moral of the story here needs to be, team staying together. Team growing together, and teams learning to win together.

I think Sather is way too quick to pull the trigger on complete offseason overhauls. When people talk about rebuilding, what they mean isn't just getting a super awesome new toy in Taylor Hall and wham you are a winner again. They talk about starting a core, getting them used to playing together, and THEN augmenting the core with some free agents. Sather is trying to get free agents, and then fill in the core on the fly from within. Its sorta a bass ackwards way of doing things.

I don't think the size of the team, or what not is the problem so much as the inexperience, and underproductivity of the vets. Which is why I am an advocate for getting Kovalchuk, dumping all the crap vets, and leaving this team the hell alone, let them develop, let them get better, and let Kovalchuk, Gaborik, and Lundqvist win us games as the kids come along. Far too much pressure are on the shoulders of these kids, and that's why a lot of them are slumping all at once. The pressure is on them because the vets are pieces of donkey crap.

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01-23-2010, 09:38 PM
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You guys have the worst ice in the league. That doesn't explain why you lose, but it could explain the low scoring.

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Short answer: Because we have THE WORST GM IN THE LEAGUE.
2nd worst, burke is the worst.

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2nd worst, burke is the worst.


Yeah, really, Who would ever want that guy?

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Short answer: Because we have THE WORST GM IN THE LEAGUE.
This, and simply put WE SUCK.

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Yeah, really, Who would ever want that guy?

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He was GM when he won that?

If you think that Brian Burke is in any way a worst GM than Glen Sather than I really don't know what to say to you. And if you don't than your post really has no relevancy.

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You guys have the worst ice in the league. That doesn't explain why you lose, but it could explain the low scoring.
We've averaged 3 goals per game at home and 2.08 per game on the road.

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I would take Burke over Sather any day of the week. I would even take a monkey over Sather, he is the reason for everything that is wrong with the team.

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I would take Burke over Sather any day of the week. I would even take a monkey over Sather, he is the reason for everything that is wrong with the team.
I'm indifferent on Burke VS Sather at this point....his handling of the Leafs so far has been horrendous.

frankly im not sure who we would get to replace Sather, Torts, etc.

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I'm indifferent on Burke VS Sather at this point....his handling of the Leafs so far has been horrendous.

frankly im not sure who we would get to replace Sather, Torts, etc.
Even if this is true, does 1 year of bad management really outweigh 10?


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Even if this is true, does 1 year of bad management really outweigh 10?
I'd still rather try someone like Clark, or even Messier before I turn the reigns over to Burke...

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I'd still rather try someone like Clark, or even Messier before I turn the reigns over to Burke...
I agree. I think Clark would be a great choice.

I'm not trying to make Burke into a genius but at this point I'd have more faith in almost anyone other than Sather.

Plus, could you imagine the entertainment opportunities of a Torts-Burke lead team?

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