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01-25-2010, 11:44 PM
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VAN/NYR trade proposal

rozi for o'brien and demitra.

NYR would take back about 500k extra in salary. rozi is 5m cap hit (but only 7M salary over next 2 years. demitra is 4m and is UFA at end of the year. o'brien is 1.6 and a RFA. christenesen could be thrown in here to even out salary.

this would rid us of rozi salary
give us toughness on D
demitra is injury prone but will do well with his buddy gabi

van is looking for D as many of their guys are hurt.

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01-25-2010, 11:48 PM
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rozi for o'brien and demitra.

NYR would take back about 500k extra in salary. rozi is 5m cap hit (but only 7M salary over next 2 years. demitra is 4m and is UFA at end of the year. o'brien is 1.6 and a RFA. christenesen could be thrown in here to even out salary.

this would rid us of rozi salary
give us toughness on D
demitra is injury prone but will do well with his buddy gabi

van is looking for D as many of their guys are hurt.
both contracts expiring after this year?

Done.

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01-25-2010, 11:50 PM
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No thanks. I think the Rangers could do better than that for Rozsival.

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01-25-2010, 11:52 PM
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No thanks. I think the Rangers could do better than that for Rozsival.
eh....its possible.

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01-25-2010, 11:53 PM
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eh....its possible.
Honestly I think they could return a 2nd rounder for him in the offseason. The guy is going to make some team who needs to get to the cap floor very happy and he can play a lot of minutes. I think he will play better outside of NYC.

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01-26-2010, 12:26 AM
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Honestly I think they could return a 2nd rounder for him in the offseason. The guy is going to make some team who needs to get to the cap floor very happy and he can play a lot of minutes. I think he will play better outside of NYC.
he's been pretty ****ing good as is. top 5 performer on our team.

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01-26-2010, 12:50 AM
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We probably could get something more than that for Roszival due to the fact that his cap hit is much lower on another team ($3.5 down from $5). That being said, if that's the best that Sather can do then I'm all for it.

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01-26-2010, 12:55 AM
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if i think correctly, just because he gets traded it doesnt change his cap hit. the contract he originally signed stays with him, and so does the cap hit. so his cap hit will remain at 5 million for the life of the contract regardless how much is left on it. he will make 4 million and then 3 million in actual salary but his cap hit remains at 5 million bc the contract he signed was a 20 mil for 4 years.

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01-26-2010, 01:11 AM
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Make it happen! Slats! Jesus!

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01-26-2010, 01:47 AM
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I've written this before, but I'll repeat it. A team that isn't up against the cap is going to care more about his $7 over 2 years than his $5 annual hit.

They won't be able to sign a defenseman like him for $3.5 per for just 2 years. A second round pick seems like fair value. Maybe Rosie and Chris Doyle for a 2nd rounder.

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01-26-2010, 03:27 AM
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I don't see how this makes the Rangers better.

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I don't see how this makes the Rangers better.

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By unloading rozy and if demeitra fails here with gaborik his contract is up in a year?

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By unloading rozy and if demeitra fails here with gaborik his contract is up in a year?
Sorry i'm not one of those unload Rozy guys. To me he is one of the few who comes close to actually earning his dough so I would prefer to keep him. Add in the total lack of veterans on the blueline makes me want to keep him more. In the end I don't think moving out one of your best performing guys who is signed next year for a guy who is Gaboriks friend who isn't is a good idea.

I'm down with the idea of cutting cap space but if it makes sense to do so. How many threads do we have bashing this team for the amount of turnover we have seen since the lockout? This is the thinking that gets us there. Rozsival as a long time veteran Ranger should stay.

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01-26-2010, 05:41 AM
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he's been pretty ****ing good as is. top 5 performer on our team.
Am I missing something here?

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01-26-2010, 07:09 AM
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We probably could get something more than that for Roszival due to the fact that his cap hit is much lower on another team ($3.5 down from $5). That being said, if that's the best that Sather can do then I'm all for it.
His cap hit does not change if he get's dealt to another team. It still stays at $5.0 million for the last two years of his deal, but the actual money paid to him is $7.0 million over those last two years, total.

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01-26-2010, 07:10 AM
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It depends entirely on what this team plans to do. If we're going to pursue Kovalchuk strongly, then yeah, this would be fine, because O'Brien is a guy who can step in on the third pairing and save us a bundle.

If we're not going to pursue any big-name free agent (unlikely knowing Sather) then hang onto Rozsival or try to get a better return.

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Sorry i'm not one of those unload Rozy guys. To me he is one of the few who comes close to actually earning his dough so I would prefer to keep him. Add in the total lack of veterans on the blueline makes me want to keep him more. In the end I don't think moving out one of your best performing guys who is signed next year for a guy who is Gaboriks friend who isn't is a good idea.

I'm down with the idea of cutting cap space but if it makes sense to do so. How many threads do we have bashing this team for the amount of turnover we have seen since the lockout? This is the thinking that gets us there. Rozsival as a long time veteran Ranger should stay.
Rozsival is a terrible ice hockey player. If we could get a trade for an 8th round pick, I would do it.

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01-26-2010, 09:11 AM
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Rozsival is a terrible ice hockey player. If we could get a trade for an 8th round pick, I would do it.
No, Wade Redden is a terrible hockey player.

Roszival is what we call a scapegoat.

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His cap hit does not change if he get's dealt to another team. It still stays at $5.0 million for the last two years of his deal, but the actual money paid to him is $7.0 million over those last two years, total.
Huh. I stand corrected. Balls.

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rozy isn't an issue I think the problem lies within two players. Redden and captain cash, bottom six forward and a 3rd pairing guy eatting over 14 million a year. Once Slats finds a way to remove these guys then you guys can go back to bashing rozy or someone else when we still suck.

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Not that bad of a trade proposal.
since they're going to become free agents next year this might help us in resigning staal/ signing kovy
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rozy isn't an issue I think the problem lies within two players. Redden and captain cash, bottom six forward and a 3rd pairing guy eatting over 14 million a year. Once Slats finds a way to remove these guys then you guys can go back to bashing rozy or someone else when we still suck.
Unfortunately I do not foresee someone moronic enough as Bob Gainey to remove another blight from their roster. The fact Redden is absolute trash only increases the difficulty. Drury? Maybe one of the lesser teams struggling might risk his contract for a low level pick. One can pray non? On a positive note, Gaborik has made the Rangers entertaining, excluding this result stretch and I love Lundqvist.

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No, Wade Redden is a terrible hockey player.

Roszival is what we call a scapegoat.
ok, so rozy is a terrible hockey player/scapegoat.

is that better mr bleed ?

ill take redden over rozy every single time with the same reasonable contract. rozy is horrible. hor-ri-ble

redden is just over paid and too soft, but he atleast still possesses nhl skills.

rozy, not so much.

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01-26-2010, 01:58 PM
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Rozsival is a terrible ice hockey player. If we could get a trade for an 8th round pick, I would do it.
He is playing better than Redden, Girardi and DelZotto and equal to Gilroy. Only Staal has been better.

I understand that DelZotto will be better in a year or two.

If Rozy had a non-Sather contract, I'd have no problem with him at all.

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We can argue if Roszy is good or not til our faces turn blue, but the fact of the matter is he's overpaid and we can do better.

And at least O'Brien would add some toughness for the rest of the year, maybe to the point where we re-sign him for a Mara like deal.

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