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01-26-2010, 12:24 PM
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This is what I am talking about:

Not retained:
Higgins
Prospal
Christensen

Traded/Waived:
Redden
Kotalik
Signings:
Armstrong/Ott(2.5-3)
Kovalchuk(9)(although I think he will get more)


Kovalchuk-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Armstrong-Drury-Callahan
Lisin/Grachev-Anisimov-Avery
Byers/Owens/Weise/Dupont-Boyle-Voros
Brashear

Staal(2)-Rozsival
MDZ-Girardi(2.6)
Gilroy-Sanguinetti/Sauer/Heikenen
Potter/Hale(.75)

Hank
Auld(.85)

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01-26-2010, 12:27 PM
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Thats fine, but I dont see why Armstrong over Pyatt. They have similar career offensive numbers, but Pyatt actually has size mixed with skill that this team needs wheres Armstrong is closer to a Ryan Callahan or tougher Higgins.

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01-26-2010, 12:30 PM
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Thats fine, but I dont see why Armstrong over Pyatt. They have similar career offensive numbers, but Pyatt actually has size mixed with skill that this team needs wheres Armstrong is closer to a Ryan Callahan or tougher Higgins.
Armstrong is a pretty big guy and he is a tough SOB. 6'2, Pyatt is 6'4. Both would help but I think Armstrong brings more toughness.

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01-26-2010, 12:31 PM
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No, thanks. I was one of Kariya's biggest fans but the Rangers need to move past aquiring old overpriced players.

I counter with the next season plan of

Redden to HFD (-6.5 mil)
Higgins UFA (-2.25 mil)
Waive Avery (-2 mil)
Prospal UFA (-1.1 mil)
Trade Lisin for a pick
Aquire Pyatt.

Sign Kovalchuk (9.2 mil)
Callup Sauer(+.6 mil)
Sign cheap 7th dman (Dandenault, for example)
Call up Wiese

Then we have

Pyatt-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Callahan
Kotalik-Drury-Wiese
Byers-Boyle-Voros

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Gilroy
Girardi-Sauer

Lundqvist
Johnson

Am I missing anyone?

Kotalik on the 3rd line? hahahahaha. The Rangers played the pens last night, an average defensive team at best. We knew we were getting a few pp's. Kotalik was again a healthy scratch. I don't know what Tortarella was thinking scratching him for a game against the Pens - that move probably cost us the game, as we ended up getting what like 8 pp minutes, with 1 scoring opportunity. I'm furious at Tortarella for not playing Kotalik againstt the Pens last night, but Kotalik isn't playing on the third line for this team.

Also, Redden's not going to Hartford. His play doesn't justify it. On a better offensive team he'd be putting up twice as many points even though he's slow and past his prime.

If Kovy comes here he'll be on the top line with Gaborik and Dubby.

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01-26-2010, 12:31 PM
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I believe that was a false rumor. Also, i'm under the impression that it would be taxed. But I dont know, im not Russian.
Why would you have to be Russian to know that? And waiving Avery.........honestly? Maybe you think Avery is overrated because you like many other people on this board expected a little too much out of him.

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01-26-2010, 12:32 PM
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you dont think ovi couldve gotten that? or malkin? but where are they playing?
Ovi and Malkin were on contending teams by the time UFA would've come up. Atlanta, however, is an absolute joke franchise. 0 playoff wins in their history after one appearance where we swept them.

They have the worst attendance in the league (or is it PHX?). They are a team going nowhere.

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01-26-2010, 01:10 PM
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Why would you have to be Russian to know that? And waiving Avery.........honestly? Maybe you think Avery is overrated because you like many other people on this board expected a little too much out of him.
There were reports that the money being paid to certain guys in the KHL were tax free dollars.

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01-26-2010, 01:13 PM
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Please stick with the topic. We've got a separate Kovalchuk thread.

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01-26-2010, 01:19 PM
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I could MAYBE see the Blues taking Roszival, but I doubt they have much interest in Kotalik or Redden. They could get a better return on Kariya than Roszy, so we'd have to include prospect(s)/pick(s)/other player(s)....


When Kariya does become an UFA, I'll take him at 1 or 2 years $3mil if there aren't any better options; I'd still prefer Ponikorovsky, at least that gives us some size in the top 6.

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01-26-2010, 01:40 PM
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No, thanks. I was one of Kariya's biggest fans but the Rangers need to move past aquiring old overpriced players.

I counter with the next season plan of

Redden to HFD (-6.5 mil)
Higgins UFA (-2.25 mil)
Waive Avery (-2 mil)
Prospal UFA (-1.1 mil)
Trade Lisin for a pick
Aquire Pyatt.

Sign Kovalchuk (9.2 mil)
Callup Sauer(+.6 mil)
Sign cheap 7th dman (Dandenault, for example)
Call up Wiese

Then we have

Pyatt-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Callahan
Kotalik-Drury-Wiese
Byers-Boyle-Voros

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Gilroy
Girardi-Sauer

Lundqvist
Johnson

Am I missing anyone?
Waive avery? this isnt serious right? Drop prospal to save 1.1 I hope that you are assuming that he 's going to make 3 mill next year.

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01-26-2010, 01:52 PM
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Waive avery? this isnt serious right? Drop prospal to save 1.1 I hope that you are assuming that he 's going to make 3 mill next year.
I would have no problem waiving Avery. He's a player of limited ability, he has the potential to implode at any moment, and he has a target on his back.

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01-26-2010, 01:53 PM
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People who want an aging Kariya here should apply for a job with Sather. You're his kind of material.

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01-26-2010, 02:19 PM
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People who want an aging Kariya here should apply for a job with Sather. You're his kind of material.
yeah but if we could trade away a kotalik contract and just walk away from an expiring kariya's at the years end (not saying they take only kotalik) why would that be such a bad idea?

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01-26-2010, 02:21 PM
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I've always liked Kariya and he could provide a solid veteran presence... plus like someone said.. it expires this July, unlike Kotalik.

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01-26-2010, 02:33 PM
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St. Louis would probably do what they could to trade Kariya to a contender if at all possible, they just seem like the kind of organization that would do that for a Vet and I'm sure that's where he'd like to go. This is assuming there are more teams interested in him...I could see Pittsburgh being a potential fit, not sure if he'd be the best fit for them, but a potential.

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01-26-2010, 02:51 PM
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Hey CHOSEN..... Thanks for suggesting that I am Sather material because I brought up the topice of Kariya, but to say that you would waive Avery because he is limited in talent makes me believe that you are a real Scotty Bowman......you putts! Again, the heart and soul of this team these days and you want to send him packing fans like you make me feel ashame to own a Blue shirt, especially here in Montreal! And seriously guys, Kovy and Gabby can not play on the same line, they both require the puck...... very bad chemistry to combine these two, might be impressive on paper, but it would never work out. I'm in for trading CHOSEN for a Debbies' fan and a bag of pucks while we're at it!

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01-26-2010, 03:29 PM
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No, thanks. I was one of Kariya's biggest fans but the Rangers need to move past aquiring old overpriced players.

I counter with the next season plan of

Redden to HFD (-6.5 mil)
Higgins UFA (-2.25 mil)
Waive Avery (-2 mil)
Prospal UFA (-1.1 mil)
Trade Lisin for a pick
Aquire Pyatt.

Sign Kovalchuk (9.2 mil)
Callup Sauer(+.6 mil)
Sign cheap 7th dman (Dandenault, for example)
Call up Wiese

Then we have

Pyatt-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Callahan
Kotalik-Drury-Wiese
Byers-Boyle-Voros

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Gilroy
Girardi-Sauer

Lundqvist
Johnson

Am I missing anyone?

I really hope that's a joke.

As for Kariya no thanks unless they take Redden.

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01-26-2010, 03:37 PM
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No, thanks. I was one of Kariya's biggest fans but the Rangers need to move past aquiring old overpriced players.

I counter with the next season plan of

Redden to HFD (-6.5 mil)
Higgins UFA (-2.25 mil)
Waive Avery (-2 mil)
Prospal UFA (-1.1 mil)
Trade Lisin for a pick
Aquire Pyatt.

Sign Kovalchuk (9.2 mil)
Callup Sauer(+.6 mil)
Sign cheap 7th dman (Dandenault, for example)
Call up Wiese

Then we have

Pyatt-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Callahan
Kotalik-Drury-Wiese
Byers-Boyle-Voros

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Gilroy
Girardi-Sauer

Lundqvist
Johnson

Am I missing anyone?
Don't love this idea.

Still incredibly weak at Center and Defense.

And waive Avery? Why? This is one of the few guys who gives a damn, and you wanna Waive him?

Plus I think Johnson should be in the AHL playing and developing his game then sitting on the bench.

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01-26-2010, 03:51 PM
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I could MAYBE see the Blues taking Roszival, but I doubt they have much interest in Kotalik or Redden. They could get a better return on Kariya than Roszy, so we'd have to include prospect(s)/pick(s)/other player(s)....


When Kariya does become an UFA, I'll take him at 1 or 2 years $3mil if there aren't any better options; I'd still prefer Ponikorovsky, at least that gives us some size in the top 6.
Believe me...JD knows Rozy, Kotalik and Redden are garbarge. He is the guy who fooled Sather into taking Backman...there is no way he does that deal.

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01-26-2010, 04:14 PM
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This is one of those disturbing things. I post a proposal and all everyone can focus on is Avery.

"ZOMG hes the only ranger that cares!!"

Sorry. Please, if you have a better idea to free up space feel free to counter with your proposal.

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This is a bandaid on herpes. It might cover it up, but the virus is still there.

We need to be sellers imo at this point. Not tank, but we need to find a way to get rid of 2 of the big 3. We can go one from there. I feel like a broken record around here.

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01-26-2010, 04:37 PM
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We need to be sellers imo at this point. Not tank, but we need to find a way to get rid of 2 of the big 3. We can go one from there. I feel like a broken record around here.
I don't know about being sellers right now because we're going to be stuck with what's holding us back anyways (Drury, Redden, Rozi). I think we should make the best of what we can for this year without mortgaging the future. Getting Kariya or another expiring contract would be okay because we get better temporarily without having to do something that makes us worse in the future. I doubt he would cost that much, to be honest.

But I do agree with your general sentiment of getting rid of the big three before we can be real contenders. That's completely the truth but we do have some benefits that allows us to be a semi-contender while rebuilding.

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This is one of those disturbing things. I post a proposal and all everyone can focus on is Avery.

"ZOMG hes the only ranger that cares!!"

Sorry. Please, if you have a better idea to free up space feel free to counter with your proposal.
Whether or not it disturbs you, he is, in fact, the only ranger that seems to care aside from Henrik. As for freeing up the cap for your proposal, its not something thats really worth it to me because I will bet anything that we don't up with Kovalchuk and his enormous contract. Its not that I or we "can't" focus on anything but Avery, its just that his being waived is a particularly disagreeable part of your proposal.

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yeah but if we could trade away a kotalik contract and just walk away from an expiring kariya's at the years end (not saying they take only kotalik) why would that be such a bad idea?
If that's what you want, just waive Kotalik. What is the point of acquiring Kariya?

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If that's what you want, just waive Kotalik. What is the point of acquiring Kariya?
not positive but pretty sure he's still our obligation if he's waived can someone back me up on this

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