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01-29-2010, 06:02 AM
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GM shouldn't sacrifice future for No. 8 seed

Larry Brooks credits Glen Sather for not making quick fix trades since the lockout. He just brings up the fear factor which hits every Ranger fan around trade deadline time when the crazy rumors swirl. The team is struggling. They aren't responding to the coach. You get the picture.

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Forget four-for-one trades to rent Ilya Kovalchuk. Forget giving up anything to get Vincent Lecavalier and his out of whack contract that takes him to age 40. Forget Dion Phaneuf unless Rozsival (preferably Redden, but let's be serious) and nothing of much added value go the other way to Calgary.

The Rangers aren't one or two players away, unless they are Jean Beliveau and Bobby Orr in their prime. The Rangers aren't one brilliant trade away from inserting themselves into the Stanley Cup conversation.

Instead, the Rangers are simply one of those many teams camped out with the huddled masses on the treadmill of NHL mediocrity. Sorry to say, but Lundqvist and Gaborik are lipstick on the pig.

Sather's "lifetime contract," as bestowed upon him by CEO Jim Dolan does provide the general manager with the security not to act rashly. Sather must know that the way to the top can only be reached by first bottoming out and then taking advantage of a favorable draft position.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz0e0AAVrac

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With no roster moves made yesterday, it's expected that Redden traveled with the team to Phoenix. As a guideline that Tortorella has called an "organizational decision" all year, the Rangers carry just six defensemen, because they don't want to stunt the growth of one of the youngsters in Hartford.
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Stunt the growth?

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the Rangers carry just six defensemen, because they don't want to stunt the growth of one of the youngsters in Hartford.
Sanguinetti?

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01-29-2010, 07:55 AM
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He's referring to Sanguinetti. They don't want him up as the 7th d-man. They want him playing if he's going to get called up.

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01-29-2010, 08:03 AM
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He's referring to Sanguinetti. They don't want him up as the 7th d-man. They want him playing if he's going to get called up.
He should be playing down there. He shouldn't be the 7th man.

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01-29-2010, 08:17 AM
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lol. Stunted growth occurs in the press box. Rangers management understands that Sanguinetti deserves a season's shot at a starting role. He will get it at some point.

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01-29-2010, 08:27 AM
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I've found myself agreeing with LB for two seasons now, but in this case, I wholeheartedly disagree. The NYR are not in need of a massive overhaul to do some real damage in the POs. In fact, I'd argue that they are one REAL player away from doing so...especially in a year like this, where the degree of competitive difference in the EC is so thin.

Between Lundqvist and Gaborik, they've made it this far. Another talent of this level would push them to the next level, in my opinion.

How to do this while also attempting to escape the contracts of Redden, Drury, and Rozsival is the task, a seemingly impossible one, actually.

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Have to agree with bus stop boy here

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My favorite Larry article of the decade.

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What do you mean, if we make the playoffs anything can happen

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01-29-2010, 09:00 AM
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LB's article was dead on today. We are in the same boat alot of other teams are that have mild sucess but can't get a decent draft postion. The diffrence between us & them is that we are capped out.

But to not try to explore trade options that could bring somthing back at a resonable cost should be considered. You never know what happens once you get in the Pkayoffs & I don't have faith in the lottery system.

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LB's article was dead on today. We are in the same boat alot of other teams are that have mild sucess but can't get a decent draft postion. The diffrence between us & them is that we are capped out.

But to not try to explore trade options that could bring somthing back at a resonable cost should be considered. You never know what happens once you get in the Pkayoffs & I don't have faith in the lottery system.
The problem is our cap space is being depleted by crappy players, so the team almost has no choice. Until the contracts expire the Rangers only real hoping of competing is through drafting and hoping the young players on the team develop faster.

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01-29-2010, 09:09 AM
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Until the contracts expire the Rangers only real hoping of competing is through drafting and hoping the young players on the team develop faster.
Not the worst way to go.

My biggest fear with Sather is not that he's going to trade away prospects and draft choices but that once the bad contracts expire he'll just use the cap space to sign more bad contracts.

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Maybe for once we could be sellers at the deadline! Lots of people to trade:

Roszival, Prospal, Redden, Higgins, Lisin, Kotalik, Girardi, ... and Drury

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Not the worst way to go.

My biggest fear with Sather is not that he's going to trade away prospects and draft choices but that once the bad contracts expire he'll just use the cap space to sign more bad contracts.
He really hasn't done that. The biggest problem has been the cap-choking contracts. I fear July 1 more than the trade deadline.

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01-29-2010, 09:12 AM
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Sather didn't sacrifice the future last year when the Rangers were in a similar position so I'm not sure why it's suddenly a huge concern or newsworthy again this year

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Not the worst way to go.

My biggest fear with Sather is not that he's going to trade away prospects and draft choices but that once the bad contracts expire he'll just use the cap space to sign more bad contracts.
Completely agree, he's got to learn to spend the kind of money he gave out to Drury and Redden on players that actually deserve it. He's got to be more careful about spending. I don't think he realizes we have a salary cap sometimes.

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I agree with Larry...regarding the 7th defenseman...not sure why a guy such as, say Cory Potter, couldn't travel and maybe take up some of Redden's time if Torts is that disgusted with his play. I don't see Potter as a guy whose growth will be stunted by being the 7th defenseman, if Torts so chooses not to replace Redden.

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He really hasn't done that. The biggest problem has been the cap-choking contracts. I fear July 1 more than the trade deadline.
We're in agreement, jas.

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I agree with Larry...regarding the 7th defenseman...not sure why a guy such as, say Cory Potter, couldn't travel and maybe take up some of Redden's time if Torts is that disgusted with his play. I don't see Potter as a guy whose growth will be stunted by being the 7th defenseman, if Torts so chooses not to replace Redden.
The thinking probably is 'I don't know a whole lot about Potter and he's an inexperienced player so I'm better off just rolling 5 d-man'

If Potter was to be up he won't play much. Tortorella tends to throw caution to the wind when these young or inexperience players get called up. Unless they prove they can handle it.
Ex. Del Zotto earlier in the year, Sanguinetti, Heikennen.

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Gaborik and Kovalchuk/Lecavalier would give the team an incredible 1-2 punch. However, those punches aren't guaranteed knock-outs.

LB is right, the team isn't a Cup contender and one player (outside of Crosby or Ovechkin IMO) isn't going to change things right now. There's a serious secondary scoring failure right now and their D is not strong. Trading players that could be part of a stronger core for years to come could be disastrously short-sighted.

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Spot Larry. Spot on.

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The rumors are that Atlanta wants primarily current NHL talent for Kovy, and he'll be 27 years old at the start of next season.

As long as they didn't trade 3-4 prospects and that's it for Kovy (which is impossible cap-wise regardless), I don't see how that's necessarily "sacrificing the future." He would be a premier player on this team for the next 6 years, minimum. Much better chance of that happening then Dubi being solid for the same time period and say Grachev turning into a AS-quality player.

Trading for Vinny would be though, unless TB was that desperate to get rid of him.

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I agree with Larry...regarding the 7th defenseman...not sure why a guy such as, say Cory Potter, couldn't travel and maybe take up some of Redden's time if Torts is that disgusted with his play. I don't see Potter as a guy whose growth will be stunted by being the 7th defenseman, if Torts so chooses not to replace Redden.
Pot would not have been better than Red, not even close. Pot in the AHL what Red is in the NHL. Think about it.

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