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01-29-2010, 10:03 PM
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Even if we made the playoffs we'd get swept with the way we've been playing.

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Man, these guys can't buy a win.

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Very frustrating night to be a Predators fan...

Predators out chanced Detroit all night long, heck the Red Wings did their best to give away the game, but when the final buzzer sounded...the Red Wings finished a much, much higher percentage of their opportunities than we did.

Ellis has to stop that fourth goal and totally killed the momentum we were generating right there, but at the same time...we cannot take penalty after penalty and spot Detroit 3 PPG's (yes, I know officially only two, but seriously...give me a break)!!!

Gotta be happy about the amount of chances our offense and the PP generated, but cannot be happy that we couldn't finish...

Probably the best thing is for the team to play again tomorrow night because tonight is a frustrating night to be a Predators fan...

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I just cant stand to spend hours of my life sitting around watching this. This team is testing my resolve. I have a million things I should have been doing with my life tonight.

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01-29-2010, 10:29 PM
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time to jettison some contracts & bring up the kids
We're in eighth place...let's sell!!

It's a frustrating outcome, no doubt. Three times, we had absolute momentum and were dominating, leading to what should have been goals:

1) Sullivan and Legwand in alone when it was 0-0...Sullivan gets pokechecked, Legwand can't elevate the puck.

2) Erat tries a tap in with an open net. Any mustard on that poke and it's a goal, and we're up 2-1. Instead, he takes too much time and weakly tries to shove it in, giving the defenseman time to get a stick on it. Shortly after, the Red Wings score on a PP to make it 2-1, and then 3-1.

3) O'Reilly and a yawning net when it's 3-2 and we're, again, dominating. Enough said on that one, and he knows it.

Props to Howard, he definitely made a statement tonight, but this is a game that in spite of that, we should have won, and convincingly.

Oh, of note also....Hamhuis and Klein on the ice for three straight goals, once again. I don't get it.

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01-29-2010, 10:34 PM
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Oh, of note also....Hamhuis and Klein on the ice for three straight goals, once again. I don't get it.
Definitely a frustrating sight that I doubt escaped anyone's attention...thankfully...FINALLY...2 and 8 were broken up and only saw one other shift out there together all night (on the PK)...

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01-29-2010, 10:46 PM
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Even if we made the playoffs we'd get swept with the way we've been playing.
Unfortunately, you're right.

It's as I had feared: Hörnqvist has come back down to Earth, and the team has struggled mightily on the offensive side of the puck. We've had our share of defensive deficiencies, but the splitting of Hamhuis and Klein is long-overdue and should help us out in that regard.

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Is there any possibility that the Preds can't get their plane back into Nashville tonight?
Plane is currently scheduled to takeoff at 11:44 PM EST from DTW and land at BNA at 12:01 AM CST....will be following the team's flight to see if it is delayed or postponed...

Update: Team got a police escort from The Joe and took off 13 minutes early. They are in the air now and scheduled to land at BNA at 11:51 PM CST, but haven't hit the storm yet...


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Unfortunately, you're right.

It's as I had feared: Hörnqvist has come back down to Earth, and the team has struggled mightily on the offensive side of the puck. We've had our share of defensive deficiencies, but the splitting of Hamhuis and Klein is long-overdue and should help us out in that regard.
What? He didnt score this game how did he come back to Earth? With only 7 shots on goal.

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01-30-2010, 12:44 AM
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Hornqvist hasn't come back down to earth. If anything it looks like hes trying to expand his game to more then just goals within 2 feet of the goalie. Maybe he's tired of getting facewashed and beaten around. I don't pretend to know these things I just know he's very effective real close to the goalie not so much from further away.

To the worry warts come on now we have gone through much worse then a 5 game losing streak. We made it through a 7 game losing streak earlier in the season. This is the biggest upset to me is when fans give up, I know most of you guys are just mad about the outcome of the past couple games. I am too. The best that accomplishes is alot more preds fans with negative attitudes. We've done better then expected this season. We get a nice homestand coming up and we're gonna definately need the support of all the fans possible to get in the mood to cheer on our boys and hope they react on our energy. To expect playoffs in the begining of the season was never expected outside of Preds fans, we overachieved very early on and now were starting to settle down a bit. Perfect time to get amped for the atlanta game. We all know they want to win. You can't argue with effort of trying to win tonight. I expect the same tommorrow. If the fans aren't there how do you expect them to get motivated. Its bad enough with the weather but you throw in negativity about our teams play and how many people you think are gonna go.

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01-30-2010, 12:54 AM
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One positive about this game, Ryan Jones had a pretty good game. Hell nearly the whole team did except Arnott, Ellis, and "the bad pairing".

This might be the most frustrating game of them all. With luck like earlier in the season this would possibly be another 8-0 drubbing of Detroit. Sullivan, Hornqvist, Legwand, Erat, O'Reilly all had huge missed oppurtunities that would be goals 90% of the time. Not to mention the good chances that Howard actually saved.

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01-30-2010, 01:08 AM
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Hornqvist hasn't come back down to earth. If anything it looks like hes trying to expand his game to more then just goals within 2 feet of the goalie. Maybe he's tired of getting facewashed and beaten around. I don't pretend to know these things I just know he's very effective real close to the goalie not so much from further away.

To the worry warts come on now we have gone through much worse then a 5 game losing streak. We made it through a 7 game losing streak earlier in the season. This is the biggest upset to me is when fans give up, I know most of you guys are just mad about the outcome of the past couple games. I am too. The best that accomplishes is alot more preds fans with negative attitudes. We've done better then expected this season. We get a nice homestand coming up and we're gonna definately need the support of all the fans possible to get in the mood to cheer on our boys and hope they react on our energy. To expect playoffs in the begining of the season was never expected outside of Preds fans, we overachieved very early on and now were starting to settle down a bit. Perfect time to get amped for the atlanta game. We all know they want to win. You can't argue with effort of trying to win tonight. I expect the same tommorrow. If the fans aren't there how do you expect them to get motivated. Its bad enough with the weather but you throw in negativity about our teams play and how many people you think are gonna go.
My job as a fan is to go to the game and enjoy it, not motivate the players. I will give them my support when they earn it. They need to motivate themselves. The coaches need to motivate them. They get a pretty nice pay check last time I checked. I don't think anyone else gets a big round of applause every time they walk in the office at work. I have always applauded their efforts on the ice when it's deserved but motivating themselves is on their shoulders, not mine.

On a different note, the guys played hard tonight. They should've come away with a win tonight but Ellis gave up an incredibly soft goal at a time in the game we had a lot of momentum on our side and were only down one. We hit a post and crossbar on one shot and a crossbar on another. We hit a goalie pad instead of Leggy lifting the puck into the net. We had Marty not knocking a puck home and Stuart making a great play by saving Howard's butt. I can't complain about their effort because I thought they skated hard out there tonight and Howard stood on his head for the most part. It happens, play well and lose. I think when you play well and lose, at some point, you'll start getting wins. If they play like this again tomorrow night, I'm sure we'll have a W. If we come out and play flat, then we haven't learned from our previous mistakes and deserve the loss. We'll see which team comes out to play tomorrow night. I know I'm braving the elements to make it tomorrow night. I hope the team shows up as well.

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01-30-2010, 01:53 AM
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What? He didnt score this game how did he come back to Earth? With only 7 shots on goal.
With seven shots on goal, Hörnqvist, or any player for that matter, should score at least once.

In the last five games, Hörnqvist has 2 goals. In the five games before that, he had five goals, and four in the five games before that. It may not seem like much, but that extra 2-3 markers can be the difference between a 4-1 stretch and a 2-3 stretch.

Hörnqvist has become a vital part of our offense, and I think the dip in production from him is a big part of this losing streak (not to say we haven't had other problems).

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I agree, I should think that a) a few million dollars, b) it is your job, c) the desire to win and be the best can stand as appropriate motivation for these guys.

I work for a nonprofit, every penny of my money is going somewhere, snow turns everybody in Nashville into idiot drivers, and the team is on a 5 game losing streak. I'll always be a fan but the whole situation doesnt really motivate me to bust it down to the Sommet tomorrow night.




but anyway, yes it is a tough loss to take. We could have one, but the game was both ways and Detroit was all over us at times too. It could have been close, we could have edged out a win, but no way were we going to run away with this game and just had a tad bad luck.


Howard is not that good and I dont believe that anyone is that lucky. It baffles me to think that many shots found there way to the crease and bounced off of him. I hope Klein and Hamhuis were taking notes on who to get the puck back up ice when the goalie stops a shot

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For the most part, I think the team played great. We pretty much had control of the game, had tons of shots, we played well enough to win. Howard played great for sure. If the Preds had this kind of effort for ANY of the previous 4 games we wouldn't be sitting here at 0-5!!!!! (Maybe we would only be 2-3 but that's still 4 points better than ZERO!!!)

BUT.....

Bouillon's penalty shouldn't have been a penalty. Bertuzzi grabbed Bouillon's jersey by the back of the neck to propel himself to the boards to get the puck. Which he threw to the front of the net where Bouillon got a penalty. If they called Bertuzzi's hold there they wouldn't have been on the PP.

And I'm so sick of that hooking penalty where the guy holds it under his arm. That should be a penalty with the hook.

We just can't get that one big save when we need it. This goal was the same kind that Pekka let in vs TO. We had the momentum but that goal just took all the wind out of the team. It took about 4-5 minutes to get going and by then it was too late.

Six Preds scored a point tonight. FOUR were DMEN, two got the only goals. And the 2 forwards were Dumont and Smithson.

Our forwards can't score for crap. How many posts did we hit, how many missed shots were there? I don't doubt that we can score, but we have only scored more than 2 goals once since we scored 5 on Dec.12 (scored 3 on Dec.18 and that game was a loss, too!).


And just like I expected, everyone is falling all over themselves kissing Detroit's ass again now that God's gift to hockey has taken their rightful place back in the top eight.









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Trash fan here wishing you guys good luck tonight.
Southern hockey needs to stick up for each other until tomorrow nite, lol.

We did have 500 tix purchased for the game, most of us are still planning to brave Monteagle pass or go around the mountain to get up there!

At one of the intermissions, can someone let us know about the conditions up there? Does your DOT do it better than down here in Atlanta???

Is there any possibility that the Preds can't get their plane back into Nashville tonight?

The ice in a snowcone causes the media in Atlanta TV to go into spasms! We have no idea what the pucker factor should really be heading up there....
It's still sleeting. It's been sleeting for a few hours. They're still calling for snow but at this point who knows. Along I-24 down your way will probably be slick with more ice than snow. If you do come up Monteagle it will be very slick. I would say either leave really early because traffic will be very slow or go around if you can.

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WOF - If hornqvist scores 2 goals every 5 games, he would finish the year with around 32 goals a year, every year. He is playing amazing. He had a great game last night. He rang one off the post for crying out loud. He has been, bar none, or best forward for awhile now....The problem is the rest of our top line is ice cold - Dumont/Sullivan/Arnott.......they are so ineffective right now.

I think Poile should move Hamhuis regardless. IT would be a mistake to let him walk, and the pairing of him and klein is failing miserably. It was like the Zidlicky/Suter pairing. Separate, they played well.....together, they were awful. Trade Hamhuis. Trade for a 4/5 vet. You are a bit weaker in terms of talent, but you are probably better as a team. It is wierd to say that, but it is true.

I am not really sure what to do. You look at the moves that Poile has tried, and of course failed, to do the past few years - and it is a crying shame. If we had acquired Kessel, Upshall, Poni......any of those three, we would have the secondary scoring that we dreadfully need. Those are just three examples within the past year where Poile failed to pull the trigger, the team continues to suffer from the same problems, and it will continue to be this way until Poile makes a bold move. The problem, again, is that we have seen Poile's bold moves. They often involve rentals, and they are often major mistakes.

Lets see what happens. This is a good team. We need a hot goalie, or we are going nowhere. I think it is time to pick one and ride him out. Trade the other.

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I have never seen a team dominate 5 on 5 like we did and didn't even come that close to winning.

OUR SPECIAL TEAMS SUCK!!!!!!!!! Lame calls or not, we used to could kill penalties fairly well, now its a joke! How many times is it with Klein and Hamhuis out there, I dunno, I am ready jettison Hamhuis now just so maybe Trotz will break them up lol

And nevermind about our PP, I have gotten used to the suckage there.

Combine that with underachieving vets who can't score and goaltenders that give up at least one momentum killing softy = we are playing ourselves out of the playoff picture.

Sorry I'm just frustrated. It's not like they aren't playing hard, they are just finding ways to lose now.

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Some observations:

Is it me, or did this team start sucking when we started to half ass the GDTs? Seriously, WOF get back to YT DJing and bring some mojo back to the team.

I have afeeling if this team really wanted to overhaul the roster I could see the following happening:

Poni + XLB for Nashville's 1st. The begining of rebuilding the 1st line

Hamhuis + O'Reilly for Colorado picks, possibly their 1st and more As the new mod said, Hamhuis is gone why not get something for him? O'Reilly doesn't have a position on this team next year and he has a one way. Why not send him packing with his kid brother.

Bring up Wilson to inject goal scoring and try and salvage a playoff spot This not only might just spark the PP but also begin the development of next year's team.

Offseason:

Sullivan for picks. When he was re-signed I had a bad feeling. He was too old and the injury scared me. When you are a speed player age is your #1 enemy. You can be mean and big and old and grind out goals but when you are a speed forward and your wheels stop spinning you are done. Sully will only have one year on a reasonable contract so he canbe tradable.

Push Dumont or Arnott to waive their NTC The SAD line has been incredibly disapointing. Understatement, yup. Reason? They are old. It's time to build a new #1 line. If they came back to life and showed what they could do this becomes a frightening team but I just don't see it happening. The career life spans of NHL's are shrinking and the SAD line is on the old spectrum.

If Arnott goes super glue the "C" to Weber's chest immediately
Re-sign Bouillon, and Poni

I would love to see a 1st line of Poni, Wilson, Hornqvist or Erat. Wilson and Hornqvist might not mesh with their similar abilities to get in front of the net that's why Erat is an option with Wilson handling the puck carrying.

Poni-Wilson-Erat
Hornqvist-Legwand-Ward
Jones-Goc-Tootoo (Possibly, or a forward prospect from Milwaukee)
Spaling-Smithson-Thuresson
Belak (I know, I know but still, he's cheap and I have a feeling he's a package deal with Tootoo)

Weber-Suter
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Vet FA?

Also with this you sign Poni and you can lock up Weber and Suter with extensions.

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WOF - If hornqvist scores 2 goals every 5 games, he would finish the year with around 32 goals a year, every year.
I realize this, but if we're almost exclusively looking to him for offense, he needs to score three or four every five games if we're going to keep winning. That's a pretty unrealistic expectation, so suffice it to say that even if he scores 32 goals, we're probably still going to lose a lot of games because no one else can find the back of the net.

My point is that when Hörnqvist was playing in the stratosphere, we became almost completely dependent on him for offense. Now that he has cooled off somewhat, we're struggling to find offense.


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I agree about the two identical goals given up from the post like that by Rinne and Ellis. Wake up, Korn-- time to drill your charges on this. We can't afford to give up those kind of soft goals. The team really dominated on the ice and now has nothing to show for it.

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I realize this, but if we're almost exclusively looking to him for offense, he needs to score three or four every five games if we're going to keep winning. That's a pretty unrealistic expectation, so suffice it to say that even if he scores 32 goals, we're probably still going to lose a lot of games because no one else can find the back of the net.

My point is that when Hörnqvist was playing in the stratosphere, we became almost completely dependent on him for offense. Now that he has cooled off somewhat, we're struggling to find offense.
This makes much more sense

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