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01-31-2010, 01:43 PM
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They really wanted him. If they didn't give it him, someone else would have.
Maybe... but that's still a brutal contract

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01-31-2010, 01:44 PM
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Why? He gives them a better chance to win - as a goaltender - than Toskala. $6M is too much, but they are the Leafs, money is not an issue. He is an expiring contract next year, whereas Jason Blake was not.
Getting rid of the Blake contract is solid (Toskala was expiring anyways), but I'm not exactly writing home about it.

Plus, Burke is talking about a "quick rebuild" when he has 6 mill invested in a backup G next year. I mean, if the Leafs decide to start a 5 year plan, then getting Phaneuf isn't a terrible start, but I still wonder about what exactly Burke is trying to do here.

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01-31-2010, 01:49 PM
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I really think this is a good deal for CGY.

They desperately need secondary scoring and they got a 25 goal guy in Hagman, a 50-60 point guy in Stajan, and a really underrated player in Ian White, 40 point pace playing 23 mins per night and is pretty good defensively.

Phaneuf had seriously regressed, Sjostrom is a throw-in, and Aulie is a bottom pairing prospect I believe.
Except for the comment about Aulie (who I never heard of prior to today) I agree. I don't understand how all the people on the main boards think this is a "steal" for Toronto. Then again it is the main boards.

I think both teams made out well today. Toronto made a much riskier move then Calgary did though. That Phaneuf contract has potential to be disastrous.

The other Toronto deal I can't really get a handle on. It's trash for trash. I think all three players could potentially do better in a new setting (like in the Latendresse/Pouliot trade) so I guess it was a good trade. Good day for the Flyers though. Only crappy part about these trade, in relation to how it affects the Flyers, is that Phaneuf is in the East. That only worries me because of the kind of hits he delivers.

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Did Calgary, a team that needs secondary scoring, just trade an overpaid cancer to Toronto for an entire 2nd line?

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The main boards are basically Toronto's secondary home.

Brian Burke is so overrated its not even funny.

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I hate the Leafs, but I love Burke.

Certainly banked on this deal with not only getting Phaneuf, but Aulie as well.

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Did Calgary, a team that needs secondary scoring, just trade an overpaid cancer to Toronto for an entire 2nd line?
Yep.

And did Toronto, a team that needed scoring, just trade all there offense for an overpaid defenseman and a overrated goalie (JSG)

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Yep.

And did Toronto, a team that needed scoring, just trade all there offense for an overpaid defenseman and a overrated goalie (JSG)
I wouldn't say that Giggy is overrated. At least not much. He's proven himself in this league. Now, he may be on the decline and overpaid but that's a different story. However, Toskala was pretty decent on good teams and horrid there. I wonder if Giggy will be able to keep his head above water on that team. Somehow I doubt it. There is a reason why Luongo was considered so amazing when he was on crap teams year after year and very few goalies can do that.

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Did Calgary, a team that needs secondary scoring, just trade an overpaid cancer to Toronto for an entire 2nd line?
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The main boards are basically Toronto's secondary home.

Brian Burke is so overrated its not even funny.
Well said. Depth players are underrated. They're key to putting together a good team (just look at the Betts line as proof of that). As of now I would consider this trade even, but I can definitely see Calgary thoroughly winning this trade in the future.

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01-31-2010, 02:03 PM
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Yep.

And did Toronto, a team that needed scoring, just trade all there offense for an overpaid defenseman and a overrated goalie (JSG)
TOR

2008-09
Goals Forced: 2.98 (10th)
Goals Against: 3.49 (30th)

2009-10
Goals Forced: 2.64 (16th)
Goals Against: 3.48 (30th)

Literally, as bad as Toronto is and sadly enough, scoring might have been the best part of their game.

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TOR

2008-09
Goals Forced: 2.98 (10th)
Goals Against: 3.49 (30th)

2009-10
Goals Forced: 2.64 (16th)
Goals Against: 3.48 (30th)
Too bad they downgraded from a defensive perspective from Ian White to Dion Phaneuf

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Too bad they downgraded from a defensive perspective from Ian White to Dion Phaneuf
Agreed.

And they have lost 38% of their offense, as has been pointed out.

I guess Boston might get that 1st overall after all. Carolina and Edmonton are going to have a job trying to keep up.

Of course pending lottery.

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01-31-2010, 02:07 PM
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Too bad they downgraded from a defensive perspective from Ian White to Dion Phaneuf
This is another reason why I don't get how anyone can say that Calgary lost this trade. Earlier in the season people were raving about how White was the most underrated d-man in the league and how great he is. I think that was true before, no doubt, but I think he's still just as good now as he was earlier in the season (on a really ****** team no less). He's getting paid less then 1 mil and is an RFA after this year, Phaneuf has several years at 6.5. Considering that White is better then Phaneuf defensively, I would much prefer to have White. Especially if I were a rebuilding team like the Leafs.

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01-31-2010, 02:09 PM
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Agreed.

And they have lost 38% of their offense, as has been pointed out.

I guess Boston might get that 1st overall after all. Carolina and Edmonton are going to have a job trying to keep up.

Of course pending lottery.
Honestly, I doubt anyone can beat out Edmonton in the fall for Hall. They've been unimaginably god-awful for almost two months. I don't think they've won a game in a month in fact.

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Listening to Leafs fans talk themselves into this on the Fan 590 is pretty funny. There was a "Brian Burke for Pope" comment earlier.

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Toronto will win this trade IF Phaneuf is patrolling the blue line as there #1 d-man in 5 years and those other players are over in Europe/retired.

However, Phaneuf has declined the past few years and according to Toronto fans, will be on there 3rd pairing
Kaberle - Komi
Beauch - Schenn
Phaneuf - Gunnarsson

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Honestly, I doubt anyone can beat out Edmonton in the fall for Hall. They've been unimaginably god-awful for almost two months. I don't think they've won a game in a month in fact.
Just like when Patrick Kane was basically a Flyer

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Getting rid of the Blake contract is solid (Toskala was expiring anyways), but I'm not exactly writing home about it.

Plus, Burke is talking about a "quick rebuild" when he has 6 mill invested in a backup G next year. I mean, if the Leafs decide to start a 5 year plan, then getting Phaneuf isn't a terrible start, but I still wonder about what exactly Burke is trying to do here.
Who says Giguere is the backup?

The Leafs don't go with 5-year plans.

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Well, both are selling false hope to gullible people
Win.

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Well, both are selling false hope to gullible people
They just compared Phaneuf to Coffey and Potvin.

I'm not joking. This actually happened.

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Who says Giguere is the backup?

The Leafs don't go with 5-year plans.
Okay, 6 mill for a below-average starter, you're still not going anywhere.

It's not a bad risk, but I wouldn't be thrilled about it.

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Okay, 6 mill for a below-average starter, you're still not going anywhere.

It's not a bad risk, but I wouldn't be thrilled about it.
I remember Ducks fans proposed a trade for Giggy involving Carter. That was a pretty big "wtf" moment of the 2009-10 season for me.

They tried to argue that Giggy was not as bad as his stats suggested.

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I remember Ducks fans proposed a trade for Giggy involving Carter. That was a pretty big "wtf" moment of the 2009-10 season for me.

They tried to argue that Giggy was not as bad as his stats suggested.
Save percentage is pretty much a definitive stat and Giggy's below average the past 2 years.

Maybe he'll turn it around, I wouldn't hold my breath.

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mm6492, I don't mean to offend you, but you really need to get there, their and they're straight.

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mm6492, I don't mean to offend you, but you really need to get there, their and they're straight.
I really do not find it to be that big of a deal on an internet forum...

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90% of the internet, I don't mean to offend you, but you really need to get there, their and they're straight.
There we go.

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