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01-31-2010, 06:01 PM
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Pittsburgh interested in Torres, Umberger?

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/live/...L.html?sid=101

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The Blue Jackets have had trade talks with Pittsburgh regarding winger Raffi Torres, whom they are almost certain to move before the March 3 trade deadline. Best guess is the Jackets are seeking a second-round draft pick.

But the Penguins would like to shoot higher than Torres. Buzz around the NHL is they're planning to take a run at Blue Jackets forward R.J. Umberger, who grew up in the Pittsburgh suburb of Plum.

The Penguins want a long-term solution at wing, not an annual rent-a-winger.

If they re-sign defenseman Sergei Gonchar, they might be willing to part with defenseman Kris Letang, a restricted free agent this summer.

The Blue Jackets have no choice but to overvalue Umberger, who has become the conscience of the dressing room. If Umberger and Torres are taken out of the mix, the Jackets would be the Tin Man.

But what if the Penguins offered Letang and a first-round pick?

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We have the money to sign Raffi, and he has gone out of his way to say he wants to be here. Just give him a 2 year 6.5 M deal and pencil him in on the 3rd line for 20 goals.

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I've always assumed Umburger would end up in Pitt someday, so Letang and a second sounds about right.

And why is moving Raffi before the deadline such a certainty? Money?

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01-31-2010, 06:24 PM
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But what if the Penguins offered Letang and a first-round pick?
You say, "You have a deal!"

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Pitt fans would scream bloody murder....couldn't blame them. Even Letang and a second is overpayment, really.

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i don't think umburger will leave this season. i think he will stay for a another season or two. as far as raffi idk what will happen

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It would take a lot to give up Umberger, if I were in Howson's shoes.

This guy is good for 25-30 goals on our team. In Pittsburgh? He could be a 40 goal guy just putting in rebounds. He's capable of playing important PK minutes. And, he's one of the few leaders on the team.

Letang is a nice player, but is he really the #1 d-man we need? He's struggled at times in the defensive zone. And offensively he now finds himself behind Goligoski on the Pens depth chart.

And, to the extent the team insists on keeping Hitch...he's not exactly the pro-typical Hitch guy at just 6', 205 lbs.

Pittsburgh's first round pick might doesn't do much for me--it could end up being a glorified second round pick.

If we're moving Umberger, I'm more interested in Jordan Staal than Kris Letang. I have my doubts the Pens have any interest in such a deal though.

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We have the money to sign Raffi, and he has gone out of his way to say he wants to be here. Just give him a 2 year 6.5 M deal and pencil him in on the 3rd line for 20 goals.
What money? All of the extensions singed by players this past off-season will take effect next year and they have extensions that will need to be tendered to Voracek and Mason. Just because Modin will be gone doesn't mean that his salary is gone too...it's been spent already by Howson.

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What money? All of the extensions singed by players this past off-season will take effect next year and they have extensions that will need to be tendered to Voracek and Mason. Just because Modin will be gone doesn't mean that his salary is gone too...it's been spent already by Howson.
Bingo.

We aren't re-signing Raffi. If we did, it would be a mistake from a cap/budget perspective--we need a defenseman or two more than we need Raffi.

This is just like the Modin situation a few years back. Trade him and take the asset(s) you get in return. Sign him to a pay increase and we'll be kicking ourselves for years.

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You say, "You have a deal!"
And make the drive to Pittsburgh yourself to get it done (stopping in to see skimp ,of course).

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And make the drive to Pittsburgh yourself to get it done (stopping in to see skimp ,of course).
And stopping to pick up some "crack cookies" at Eat'N Park!

Personally, I don't trade Umby in that deal. I would counter AP's rhetorical question with "what if we offered Raffi and a 2nd for Letang?"

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Portzline shot down Umby moving in Puck-Rakers earlier today.

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You may have read in today's Dispatch that the Penguins have an interest in Blue Jackets forward R.J. Umberger. If I were a Blue Jackets fan, I would not worry about Umberger being traded for a minute. As noted in the NHL Sunday notebook. Umberger's value to the Blue Jackets is beyond his ability on the ice. He's become the conscience of the club, on a club that has too few leaders. The asking price for the Blue Jackets would be too steep. All you Umberger fans, rest easy.
If we did move Tico, anybody think he might be a rental to the Pens & consider signing with us again after the season, or would that irk him to the point of signing elsewhere?

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Portzline shot down Umby moving in Puck-Rakers earlier today.



If we did move Tico, anybody think he might be a rental to the Pens & consider signing with us again after the season, or would that irk him to the point of signing elsewhere?
I think we aren't re-signing Raffi because we can't afford him after handing out extensions to our defense like they were candy.

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Here's what Pen fans would give us for RJ:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=732137

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More Pens-Jackets chatter from Pens board

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=731817

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And make the drive to Pittsburgh yourself to get it done (stopping in to see skimp ,of course).
If we trade Umberger to Pittsburgh, you guys might want to stay clear of me.

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Pittsburgh is the only place in the league either one of the wingers could go and move UP in the lineup.

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Pittsburgh is the only place in the league either one of the wingers could go and move UP in the lineup.
I don't think Umberger is going anywhere, but if Torres goes to Pittsburgh, 3 things will happen.

1. Torres goes on a complete tear
2. At least 500 posts complaining about Howson not singing Torres, based solely on his production after the trade.
3. Torres getting a GM to overpay massively for him.

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And the Jackets replace him with Mayorov

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Pittsburgh is the only place in the league either one of the wingers could go and move UP in the lineup.
Sadly this is true. How has Torres been used in Columbus? Has he been on the 3rd line most of the season?

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Sadly this is true. How has Torres been used in Columbus? Has he been on the 3rd line most of the season?
He's bounced around. He's scored his goals with a fairly limited amount of ice time. Figure out how to get him regular PP time or put him in your top 6 and he could go down as one of the most underrated deadline deals of all time.

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Torres and Hitchcock were more or less openly hostile toward each other, so it's entirely possible that recent developments have changed things.

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Torres and Hitchcock were more or less openly hostile toward each other, so it's entirely possible that recent developments have changed things.
Doubt it. The biggest issue with Raffi is that we can't afford him in the off-season. Howson will trade him to get something rather than keep him and get nothing.

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Doubt it. The biggest issue with Raffi is that we can't afford him in the off-season. Howson will trade him to get something rather than keep him and get nothing.
As it currently stands, Modin, MacKenzie, and Jurcina come off the books in addition to Torres. MacKenzie is unlikely to be re-signed to an NHL deal of any type, Modin would stick around only if he agreed to about an 80% pay cut, and Jurcina is on the fence.

The wild card ultimately is Filatov. If he's moved, and attempts will be made to gauge his value, then the return is going to be a top-pairing defenseman, which sort of scatters the projected blueline for next year (particularly with Moore getting a long look). Scott Howson isn't the type to make a move and sit pat; he's usually thinking two or three moves ahead in order to maximize what he's able to do.

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He's bounced around. He's scored his goals with a fairly limited amount of ice time. Figure out how to get him regular PP time or put him in your top 6 and he could go down as one of the most underrated deadline deals of all time.
Our PP is finally putting it together the last few weeks, so I'm not sure if he would get on our top PP or not. Is he a net presence guy that gets in the goalies face? If so he could nudge out Cooke and Guerin for that spot.

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Torres and Hitchcock were more or less openly hostile toward each other, so it's entirely possible that recent developments have changed things.
Oh really, I didn't know that. It will be interesting if that does in fact affect him being available.

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