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02-04-2010, 02:45 PM
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Name them.

The only forwards in this entire league I take before Kovalchuk, are Ovechkin and Crosby. Maybe Malkin. I view Malkin and Kovalchuk as equal.
Maybe if you're only talking goalscoring. Kovalchuk is definitely a great sniper but he's one dimensional.

Heatley, Thornton, Iginla, Malkin, Zetterberg and Datsyuk are all better players.

Its not even close with Malkin btw.

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Check this out, includes some of the offers Atlanta gave Kovy..

101 million over 12 years
70 million 7 years

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308935
Who else thinks Kovy is a ********* now? How would any GM overpay for him in a trade knowing what his asking price is now? He could take it to the next level or become a Yashin.

I know I was for trading for him and I still am, but the price is coming waaaay down and no way I'd want to sign him to a long term deal under ANY situation at those ridiculous prices.

He should not make more than Ovy, Crosby or Malkin imo.

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02-04-2010, 02:47 PM
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I imagine the Kostitsyns and Hamrlik were traded for Kovalchuk here, but Kovalchuk wasn't re-signed.
I bet you he will sign with Montreal. One thing I know is that Russian players like MTL. It's special for them. The history. The series of with Soviet Union's team, etc. But, we also know if the big bucks aren't there, they will leave.

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Maybe the guy isn't happy in Atlanta or maybe maybe he wants to play for a winning team. I mean Atlanta made the playoffs what twice while he ws there?

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I bet you he will sign with Montreal. One thing I know is that Russian players like MTL. It's special for them. The history. The series of with Soviet Union's team, etc. But, we also know if the big bucks aren't there, they will leave.
im thinking Kovy goes to the KHL. His wife is some sort of russian rock singer, I bet they go there for her to pursue her career and for him to be making 20M a yr! Honestly, I doubt most russian care all that much about the Stanley Cup.

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Maybe the guy isn't happy in Atlanta or maybe maybe he wants to play for a winning team. I mean Atlanta made the playoffs what twice while he ws there?
Maybe he isn't but he was adoment all year about staying a Thrasher. Why play games when you know you don't want to be there anyways and hancuff your GM that's been good to you all your years as a pro. It's really turned me off to him.

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02-04-2010, 02:58 PM
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I think it's just obvious he doesn't want to stay in Atlanta.
Certainly looks that way after turning down those offers...

Waddell had this to say today in his PC...
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"During the process, Kovy affirmed his desire to be a Thrasher for life."
I guess Kovy was telling a little fib to DW if he turned down those offers...

If Kovy wants to stay in Atlanta like he as been saying what the hell would it take for the guy to re-sign? 150 million for 15 years ,200 million for 20 years?

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Check this out, includes some of the offers Atlanta gave Kovy..

101 million over 12 years
70 million 7 years

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308935

According to Yvon Pedneault from canoe.com, Alexander Medvedev (KHL president) went on the record during his league All Stars game weekend (a few days ago) with the following quote (not the exact quote): "I will offer a lot of money to Kovalchuk "

Based on unnamed sources/rumours, Pedneault even mentioned… 15-20M$/season!?!

We are in Big Time Rental territory here. I hope Gainey stays away from him; in fact, I am almost convinced that he will stay away from him!

Source (in French): http://www.canoe.com/sports/chroniqu...03-103100.html

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02-04-2010, 03:25 PM
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Check this out, includes some of the offers Atlanta gave Kovy..

101 million over 12 years
70 million 7 years

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308935
when you dont want to be in a place ,NO AMOUNT of money can keep you there.


Kovy has had enough of Atl ,and can ya blame him?

I expect the team he goes to he will sign for much less ,you watch .

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02-04-2010, 03:26 PM
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What a greedy *******. Hope he rots in the KHL.

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02-04-2010, 03:27 PM
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Kovy has had enough of Atl ,and can ya blame him?
No. He wanted to be a "Thrasher for life". They didn't give him enough.

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02-04-2010, 03:31 PM
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No. He wanted to be a "Thrasher for life". They didn't give him enough.
he sees the writting on the wall.

he wated to be a thraser for life.

whent he team moves then what? does he like Kansas City?

again , sometime within that 10 year deal , the Thrasers have IMHO a good chance of moving .
again i think he is tired of losing,and worried about the teams new location.

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02-04-2010, 03:34 PM
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he's given enough to that hapless organization that has done NOTHING while he was there, time for him to actually move to a team with a chance of winning. The fact that he's never complained or demanded a trade should speak volumes.

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02-04-2010, 03:42 PM
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he sees the writting on the wall.

he wated to be a thraser for life.

whent he team moves then what? does he like Kansas City?

again , sometime within that 10 year deal , the Thrasers have IMHO a good chance of moving .
again i think he is tired of losing,and worried about the teams new location.
Hmm, lets see what we're given.

1. His coach said he wanted to be apart of their organization for life.

2. They couldn't come to agreement with his salary.

3. Waddell gave up and is now shopping Kovalchuk.

4. Kovalchuk still wants to play for Atlanta, but wants the right contract.

Nowhere does it say he wants to leave Atlanta. He is greedy. Extremely greedy. It will be too bad when no team in their right mind under a salary cap will pay him what Atlanta will. He will probably pull a Yashin and go play for Russia for more dollars.

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when you dont want to be in a place ,NO AMOUNT of money can keep you there.


Kovy has had enough of Atl ,and can ya blame him?

I expect the team he goes to he will sign for much less ,you watch .
This is what I was thinking.....he just wants out of Atlanta....I hope he doesn't think he is worth more than Ovie or Crosby...

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02-04-2010, 03:44 PM
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Kovalchuk with Gomez and Gionta I think would hit it off and be a very productive line. Gomez and Kovalchuk would complement each other perfectly - Gomez as playmaker and Kovy as sniper; and Gionta can pick up Kovy's crumbs in those few times when he misses a goal. Then Plekanec, Cammalleri and Pouliot would be another great combination - Plekanec as playmaker and two snipers - Pouliot and Cammaleri. And then hoping that Subban and Fischer are ready next year we can have a solid defense; maybe try trading some odd player for picks and free up some cap space so that we can sign Kovy like Spacek,Mara, etc, and maybe signing some decent ufa's. I think Kovalchuk will be traded after the Olympics for Price,the Kostitsyn Bros. (A. Kos will be injury free by then), and O'byrne; I think this will beat all other offers.

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Nowhere does it say he wants to leave Atlanta. He is greedy. Extremely greedy. It will be too bad when no team in their right mind under a salary cap will pay him what Atlanta will. He will then pull a Yashin and go play for Russia for more dollars.
Many other teams will.

Kovalchuk wants out. He obviously wasn't going to say that publically while still a member of the team... he's not an idiot.

It's the same thing that happened to Souray... to Komisarek... etc. Players lie to keep the media off their backs. Who cares?

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he's given enough to that hapless organization that has done NOTHING while he was there, time for him to actually move to a team with a chance of winning. The fact that he's never complained or demanded a trade should speak volumes.
You're being unfair here.

First, Kovalchuk put the team over a barrel and threatened to leave for Russia the last time around. He's not as benevolent as you're saying he is.

Secondly, that team has had the worst luck of any team in the NHL. First, their star player kills a teammate. Then he wants out and Atlanta gets the best possible return they can in Marian Hossa. Unfortunately, Hossa is ticked because Ottawa shafted him by trading him immediately after signing him so he's in no mood to do the Thrashers any favours and leaves himself. Meanwhile, their can't miss prospect Kari Lehtonen has been killed with injuries.

That team should be a lot better off than it is. They never had a chance.

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Many other teams will.
Really? Pay 11.6 million dollars a year when Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin are paid 9?

Teams will have to be very desperate and bleak to spend 20% of their salary cap on ONE player.

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Kovalchuk with Gomez and Gionta I think would hit it off and be a very productive line. Gomez and Kovalchuk would complement each other perfectly -
18 Million on 2 players? Yikes.

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Many other teams will.

Kovalchuk wants out. He obviously wasn't going to say that publically while still a member of the team... he's not an idiot.

It's the same thing that happened to Souray... to Komisarek... etc. Players lie to keep the media off their backs. Who cares?
Truth. People need to look between the lines. Kovy wants out, he is getting out. I believe he and his agent are smart enough to know he won't make over 10m, but he'll probably a long term Ovechkin type deal with some team that can build around him and looks primed to win in the near future. I don't get that vibe from Atlanta.

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Really? Pay 11.6 million dollars a year when Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin are paid 9?

Teams will have to be very desperate and bleak to spend 20% of their salary cap on ONE player.
If Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin ever reach UFA, they'll be offered the same, if not more, than Kovalchuk, so...

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Truth.
Between which lines. That he told his GM he wants to play for Atlanta but he isn't given enough.

He could be bluffing. Telling the GM that he wants out is a much easier way of saying I want out, stop trying to negotiate with me, you are wasting my time.

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If Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin ever reach UFA, they'll be offered the same, if not more, than Kovalchuk, so...
They did reach free agency and they signed for less.

Besides, NHL rule is that no player can take more than 20%.

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Check this out, includes some of the offers Atlanta gave Kovy..

101 million over 12 years
70 million 7 years

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308935
If he's looking at long term contract, 7 years is not enought. It would means a new contract at 34 years old.

101 million over 12 years give a cap hit of 8.4 which is right there with Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin. Imo, he's to Atlanta what the other are for their teams.
You could say his game overall is not as good as them but no others compare to them. So if you are looking for the next best guy, you have to look at him or at least, consider him. Then, Its Atlanta and like Montreal, they have to overpay to get good UFA players. So, If you have to do it, do it for 1 of the best in the game.I would look at a contract like hossa.

101m till he's 39. No way, he sign another contract after. So every millions is a bonus. Just add years to contract. Something like 115million/15 years
for a cap hit of 7.6 million. 10 years at 10m then 15m over 5 years. Its a lot of money but in NHL money, Montreal can afford it.

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