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Do we really have the best D in the atlantic?

View Poll Results: Which team has the best defense pairings in the atlantic division?
Philly 56 80.00%
NJ 10 14.29%
Pitt 3 4.29%
Rags 1 1.43%
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02-05-2010, 10:18 PM
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Do we really have the best D in the atlantic?

Ok, after the NJ trade the Flyers now have the 3rd best 1-2 punch down the middle in the division but where does their D stand? I still think they have the best top end talent in the division but fall behind with their 5th and 6th defensemen. I think the Flyers' D is suited best to battle the situation of Kov/Parise & Crosby/Malkin. Their problem will be goaltending which is fourth best in the atlantic.


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Yes, we do.

Hopefully COburn picks up his play and Parent comes back healthy

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02-06-2010, 12:00 AM
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Kovy isn't a center...just a heads up.

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02-06-2010, 12:06 AM
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Well.. just because this is on the Flyers board, I feel like voting for another team lol.

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02-06-2010, 12:10 AM
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Kovy isn't a center...just a heads up.
Parise isnt either.

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02-06-2010, 12:31 AM
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I guess Im the only one so far who said its not the Flyers.

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Generally yes; hard to fault the defense when you lose low scoring games.

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Parise isnt either.
Heh, yeah didn't even read that far.

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Parise isnt either.
i knew kovy wasn't but i thought parise was. my bad. guess i ment 1 2 punch. looks like people got the point though.

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Yes, but that doesn't mean we're the best defensive club. Personnel wise I think our defense is the best.

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we have a good defense, but it could def be better...

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02-06-2010, 03:03 AM
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defense could be better, but thats not the issue. We simply lack offensive talent, we dont have a guy in the top 30 in terms of points. let that sink in for a bit.

richards plays with a ton of effort/heart,
and carter puck hogs to get chances, but they are both substantially less "talented" or "skillful" than other players on seemingly every other playoff team.
we really need more skilled players like giroux/JVR, but of course they need to be more developed than our rookies lol.

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defense could be better, but thats not the issue. We simply lack offensive talent, we dont have a guy in the top 30 in terms of points. let that sink in for a bit.

richards plays with a ton of effort/heart,
and carter puck hogs to get chances, but they are both substantially less "talented" or "skillful" than other players on seemingly every other playoff team.
we really need more skilled players like giroux/JVR, but of course they need to be more developed than our rookies lol.
i agree. the flyers are not the offensive powerhouse everyone thinks/thought they were during the ECF run. the flyers are a combination of depth and hot streaks (that unfortunately don't last a long time).

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Ps I Think We Should Trade Some Of Our Best D For Martin St. Louis!!!

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02-06-2010, 04:36 AM
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Despite the fact that homerism will tilt the votes to one direction, we definitely do have the best defense in the atlantic.

But isn't it funny how last season we had ****ing amazing offense production (6 players with 30+ goals) but absolutely terrible defense? Now this year we'd be lucky if we get 2 players with 30+ goals but our defense is solid. Except it's not funny, it's absolutely frustrating.

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Yes we do. However, it has performed that way hardly at all during the season.

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Defense pairings? Yes. Team defense? No.

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I think the D has done pretty well considering that we've gotten iffy goaltending for much of the season.

We're 5th in the league in shots allowed per game (last 2 years we were 25th and 27th) and we're 8th in 5 on 5 goal ratio which is impressive considering the coaching change.

The real problem is the PK and not to pile on too much, but your keeper has to be your best PKer and a lot of times this season, that hasn't happened. Look at the EDM game where Leighton was required to make one semi-difficult save on the PK and couldn't pull it off.

Recently, that's picked up some, so hopefully it can continue. The problem is that we tend to give up these blowout games. Since Laviolette got here, we've given up an 8 goal game, a 7 goal game, and a 6 goal game. That's over a quarter of the total goals we've given up under Laviolette in a tenth of the games (30 games played, 81 goals allowed).

If you take those 3 games out of the equation, our GAA under Lavio is 2.22 which would be the best in the league. That's pretty impressive considering that in a lot of those games, they've been playing with a below-average goaltender.

So obviously every team has those games where they just give up a bunch of goals, but the point is that the Flyers have been pretty consistent defensively under Laviolette outside of these odd blowups, but it's not like they're letting in 3-4 goals every game.

The point is to hone this consistency and turn those 7 or 8 goal games into 3 or 4 goal games which might be winnable every now and again.

In the playoffs, the games are definitely tighter, so if we can continue to bring this kind of defensive intensity and effort to the table while eliminating the inconsistency, that bodes well for our chances.

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i agree. the flyers are not the offensive powerhouse everyone thinks/thought they were during the ECF run. the flyers are a combination of depth and hot streaks (that unfortunately don't last a long time).
Yeah, cuz having the best player and best line in the league translated into a whole lot of success.

We are absolutely fine offensively. We have a stellar PP, and get scoring from all four lines. And almost everyone is streaky...if they weren't, then Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. would not be special players.

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Despite the fact that homerism will tilt the votes to one direction, we definitely do have the best defense in the atlantic.

But isn't it funny how last season we had ****ing amazing offense production (6 players with 30+ goals) but absolutely terrible defense? Now this year we'd be lucky if we get 2 players with 30+ goals but our defense is solid. Except it's not funny, it's absolutely frustrating.
2009: 7 players with 10+ goals

2010: 6 players with 10+ goals. In addition, Pronger, Powe (8), Carcillo (7), Gagne, Betts, and Asham (6) all have an outside chance of scoring 10 goals this season.

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we cant make goals happen, we just throw the puck at the net over and over and over until we hit a lucky bounce. sometimes that bounce never comes, sometimes we get 5 or 6, but we dont have the skill which provides the consistency, we leave that entirely up to chance.

not to mention having a star player:
allows others on the team to get more open/score
provides consistency
can take pressure off of the defense by controlling the puck/game a bit

we can be stronger defensively if we spend more time in the offensive zone actually doing something, not just jeff carter blocked wrist shot...turnover

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02-06-2010, 06:38 PM
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Yeah, cuz having the best player and best line in the league translated into a whole lot of success.

We are absolutely fine offensively. We have a stellar PP, and get scoring from all four lines. And almost everyone is streaky...if they weren't, then Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. would not be special players.
are you referring to the capitals? the team leading the league in points and on a 13 game win streak?

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I wouldn't say our D is the best in the division. We have two great defenders in Pronger and Timonen, a good player in Carle, and the rest are all question marks. That's the reality of it. Coburn starts playing great for stretches at a time and follows it up with whoreanusly terrible play for stretches at a time. The guy has zero consistency in his game. Parent is always hurt, Krajicek is what he is, and Syvret and Bartulis are starting to look overwhelmed.

In terms of defense 1 to 6, I'd have to go with New Jersey, followed by *ugh Pittsburgh and then the Flyers.

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not to mention having a star player:
allows others on the team to get more open/score
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can take pressure off of the defense by controlling the puck/game a bit
Agreed. You take a look at the past ten Stanley Cup winners and every single one of them has a star player in there. Pittsburgh has Malkin/Crosby; Detroit has Zetterberg/Datsyuk; Anaheim has Selanne/Getzlaf; Carolina has Staal/Ward; Tampa Bay has St.Louis/Lecavalier; New Jersey had Elias, Nieuwendyk; Detroit had Yzerman, Federov, Shannahan; Colorado had Forsberg, Sakic, Hejduk.

EDIT: The one thing these guys all had in common (with the exception of Elias, Nieuwendyk, Cam Ward) was that they were amongst the league's top scorers and in order to win the Stanley Cup, you need to have someone who is amongst the league's top scorers. There's no denying that. Have all the balance and depth you want, but you still need that one offensive catalyst that can do it all and does it a high level. I just don't see that from anyone in Philadelphia.

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are you referring to the capitals? the team leading the league in points and on a 13 game win streak?
a) they haven't won anything of significance yet
b) he was probably talking about Lindros's Flyers

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