I'm only ranting basically since you said Darcy provides very little impact in a game.
Once you at least admit you cant win big games without a player like Tucker, then I think we both will be able to settle down here.
You can have all the talent in the world and still not be better then the other player. You may have more potential, and obviously more raw skills..but hey, if you dont produce, it's not anything to write home about. You can even use the analogy with talented teams to hard working teams here..instaed of this one on one stuff we're doing with darcy and mike. The rangers have tons of talent..on most days the isles shouldnt even be competing with them, and most people..in the offices and fans, would choose the rags to go all the way to the finals...but they dont, and everyone is shocked..and the isles actually perform better. That's how we can view this here...peca may be more skilled, but hey, in the end, darcy is the one producing when it counts. And he really even shouldnt be..that makes it all the more better.
I'm only ranting basically since you said Darcy provides very little impact in a game.
Once you at least admit you cant win big games without a player like Tucker, then I think we both will be able to settle down here.
You can have all the talent in the world and still not be better then the other player. You may have more potential, and obviously more raw skills..but hey, if you dont produce, it's not anything to write home about. You can even use the analogy with talented teams to hard working teams here..instaed of this one on one stuff we're doing with darcy and mike. The rangers have tons of talent..on most days the isles shouldnt even be competing with them, and most people..in the offices and fans, would choose the rags to go all the way to the finals...but they dont, and everyone is shocked..and the isles actually perform better. That's how we can view this here...peca may be more skilled, but hey, in the end, darcy is the one producing when it counts. And he really even shouldnt be..that makes it all the more better.
You're spewing gibberish. Peca isn't a better playoff performer than Tucker??? What about when he shut down the mighty Ottawa offense on the way to the conference finals in 99 with a slapdash supporting cast in front of Hasek? Was Tucker ever in the finals? Hmmm, I don't think so. Peca was the only player on the offense of that team that has a name worth remembering. He and Hasek took that team to the brink. I don't remember Tucker doing anything that wasn't questionable in the postseason. Though you make some good points, you're clearly too emotional about your avatar's idol to be taken seriously about Tucker. As for Yashin, his production as an Isle in the playoffs has been just fine thanks.
That's how we can view this here...peca may be more skilled, but hey, in the end, darcy is the one producing when it counts. And he really even shouldnt be..that makes it all the more better.
Yeah, in the end Tucker "produced" to the tune of 10 goals, 34 points, and -7 in close to 80 games. That is the performance of a marignal third liner, not some kind of high level two-way player.
Peca played 10 games less than Tucker last year, and was coming back from major surgery. However, he still had more goals, more points, and better plus/minus during that period (despite playing fewer games on a weaker team). So, don't even try to claim that Tucker "produces" more because that is simply not the case.
So, to compare the two players answer me this:
Has Tucker ever won a major NHL trophy?
Has Tucker ever played for Team Canada in the Olympics?
Has Tucker ever captained a team to the finals?
And, to answer the reverse: Has Peca ever had a season of minus 30 or worse? Has Peca been a consistent minus player over the course of his career? Has Peca ever been traded for other marginal players?
Like I said, the only think that Tucker does better than Peca is cheap shot attempts to injure, and that is nothing to brag about.
You can "rant" all you want. That doens't make Tucker any better a player. He is a marginal third line guy. And that is it.
Wow,that was an unbelieveable read from Tucker316.
Somebody is way to much in love with Tucker!
LOL, I like Tucker, but Peca is BY FAR his superior. Scatchard gets a slight nod in my opinion. Wiemer I'd consider a wash really -- but I can see why Isle's hate him
Bottom line for me if the phone rings and Pat Quinn is on the line inquiring about Hamrlik (nevermind the obvious fact that Pat Quinn doesn't even have my number and I have no say in NYI's matters :p ):
Add Hamrlik to the Leaf's lineup and they - once again - have a legitimate shot to come out of the East. He addresses, in a major way, their one significant weakness.
So if you want to add the potential "missing piece" to make Toronto a Conference favorite, you had better be prepared to deal in return and address NYI's specific needs.
Bet that Quinn understands that better than a few folks on this thread.
Bottom line for me if the phone rings and Pat Quinn is on the line inquiring about Hamrlik (nevermind the obvious fact that Pat Quinn doesn't even have my number and I have no say in NYI's matters :p ):
Add Hamrlik to the Leaf's lineup and they - once again - have a legitimate shot to come out of the East. He addresses, in a major way, their one significant weakness.
So if you want to add the potential "missing piece" to make Toronto a Conference favorite, you had better be prepared to deal in return and address NYI's specific needs.
Bet that Quinn understands that better than a few folks on this thread.
It's not even Quinn anymore making those decisions because he is no longer the gm. But I will not complain if you can make a deal for Mike Milbury with the Leafs coach, Trotts.
Long ago some basketball fans pulled a fast one on Clippers gm Bill Russell and made a trade with him while pretending to be a executive from another team and it was reported he tried to put the trade in he was so excited about it.
But regarding Hamrlik at the beginning of this post. Any deal has to start with Antropov or Kaberle for me. And I see the Isles keeping Hamrlik no matter what unless his contract demands are designed to force a trade.
It's not even Quinn anymore making those decisions because he is no longer the gm. But I will not complain if you can make a deal for Mike Milbury with the Leafs coach, Trotts.
True, good catch. The call would be with Ferguson Jr.....who would be sitting on Quinn's lap, while Pat tugged on his strings and did his best ventriloquist act. :clown:
My appologies, but Darth, you've been talking out of your ass this whole thread.
Your whole argument is comprised of ill-informed, biased opinions. Fine, I'm used to that. However, you did mention several things as fact, and I'm going to call u on them.
"Tucker will get u 30-40 points a season"
Tucker has averaged 45 points a season his last 5 years in NHL
"Scatchard is better than Tucker offensively"
Scatchard has averaged 35 points a season in his last 5 years in NHL
Furthermore, you go on to give Tuckers -7 last season to show him as a bad defensive player.
The season prior to last, he was +24, I believe 2nd best on the Leafs.
3 of his last 4 seasons, he's been a + player.
Please, Darth. I do hope you speak of pure ignorance rather than malice.
Tucker would no doubt be the 3rd best forward on the Isles, right behind Peca and Yashin. Scatchard and Parrish would come real close.
Finally, no doubt Hamrlik is a better player than Darcy. However, I find it humourous at how much value he has on this board.
Ninimaa is every bit as good as Roman, and much cheaper than Roman. He went for Isbister (inferior asset to Tucker) and Torres (worth a bit more than Bell+2nd). Looking at that, in today's market, an offer of Tucker, Bell and a 2nd is definately fair.
My appologies, but Darth, you've been talking out of your ass this whole thread.
Your whole argument is comprised of ill-informed, biased opinions. Fine, I'm used to that. However, you did mention several things as fact, and I'm going to call u on them.
"Tucker will get u 30-40 points a season"
Tucker has averaged 45 points a season his last 5 years in NHL
"Scatchard is better than Tucker offensively"
Scatchard has averaged 35 points a season in his last 5 years in NHL
Furthermore, you go on to give Tuckers -7 last season to show him as a bad defensive player.
The season prior to last, he was +24, I believe 2nd best on the Leafs.
3 of his last 4 seasons, he's been a + player.
Please, Darth. I do hope you speak of pure ignorance rather than malice.
Tucker would no doubt be the 3rd best forward on the Isles, right behind Peca and Yashin. Scatchard and Parrish would come real close.
Finally, no doubt Hamrlik is a better player than Darcy. However, I find it humourous at how much value he has on this board.
Ninimaa is every bit as good as Roman, and much cheaper than Roman. He went for Isbister (inferior asset to Tucker) and Torres (worth a bit more than Bell+2nd). Looking at that, in today's market, an offer of Tucker, Bell and a 2nd is definately fair.
Whatever dude. This whole thread got old a long, long time ago
Isles don't want Tucker.
Leafs aren't getting Hamrlik.
None of the players you guys mentioned (including Tucker) have much in the way of trade value.
End of story.
Moderator, why don't you do us all a favor and shut this one down?
