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02-07-2010, 01:44 PM
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We have too many holes and bad contracts to invest a ton of money in Kovalchuk. Even if we get rid of Redden and Rozsival, we're still stuck with Drury's contract AND we're light on defense. The $8.5+ spent on Kovalchuk would be better distributed elsewhere.
in your opinion if youre the gm what do you do come july 1st? i look to trade rosi at the draft for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and then just sign volchencov and bring up sangs, although i love girardi and i really want to keep him i just dont see him fitting in the equation unless of course we send redden or gilroy to hartford

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no sense in entering the bidding war for kovalchuk this summer. If he does get his ridiculous contract it'll be because he's the only elite ufa - don't want to destroy our cap flexibility for the next 8 years.
What team are you talking about? Not the NYR

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02-07-2010, 01:56 PM
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How about just Volchenkov?

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How about just Volchenkov?
ill take that in a heartbeat along with joki if he keeps meshing well with cally and dubi

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in your opinion if youre the gm what do you do come july 1st? i look to trade rosi at the draft for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and then just sign volchencov and bring up sangs, although i love girardi and i really want to keep him i just dont see him fitting in the equation unless of course we send redden or gilroy to hartford
Out The Door:
Rozsival ($5M) - Traded for a draft pick.
Redden ($6.5) - Waived.
Jokinen ($5.25) - Traded at the deadline for a draft pick/prospect.
Lisin ($.79) - Don't re-sign.


That's $13.69 in cap space opened up for July 1.

Re-sign:
Staal (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.826 to $2.5.
Prospal (UFA) - Give him a raise from $1 to $2.5.
Girardi (RFA) - Give him a raise from $1.55 to $1.86.
Christensen (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.750 to $1.
Prust (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.500 to $.750.

That leaves us with $9.71 in cap space for July 1.

Here's our roster before July 1:

Prospal - Christensen - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - [Empty]
Callahan - Drury - Avery
Voros - Boyle - Prust

Brashear

Staal - [Empty]
MDZ - [Empty]
Girardi - Gilroy

[Empty]


Lundqvist
[Empty]

Filling those holes with $9.71 in cap space:
Volchenkov (UFA) - I offer him a front-loaded contact that keeps his cap hit around $4. If he takes it, great.

or

Lydman (UFA) - I like his game. He hits and blocks a lot of shots and won't be very expensive either. I offer him a front-loaded contract that keeps his cap hit around $3.75. If he takes it, great.

If one of these defenseman signs, I fill the other spot with Sanguinetti ($.800).

Now we have $4.9 to find a second line winger, a 7th defenseman, and a back-up goaltender. Shows you how badly Drury's contract kills us. The going rate for a third line center is probably around $2.5. That extra $4.5 million would be huge.

I guess we could throw Grachev or our first round draft choice into the fire, keep Johnson as backup and find a waiver-wire 7th defenseman, but the offense is going to be brutal again.


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Now we have $4.9 to find a second line winger, a 7th defenseman, and a back-up goaltender. Shows you how badly Drury's contract kills us. The going rate for a third line center is probably around $2.5. That extra $4.5 million would be huge.

I guess we could throw Grachev or our first round draft choice into the fire, keep Johnson as backup and find a waiver-wire 7th defenseman, but the offense is going to be brutal again.
Just make Grachev the missing winger. A much better solution than giving him up just to get rid of Drury, and then sign another overpaid UFA.

Really, I'd try hard to sign Kovalchuk, but if we can't land him, I'd only replace Rozy or Redden with Volchenkov (at around $5 million we could even save money that way). No other FA moves this season, and then in 2011 I'd make a run at some UFAs. Because 2011-12 is probably the first of maybe three or four seasons where we could actually be something like a contender with our core if we add a couple of key pieces via trade or free agency.

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02-07-2010, 03:06 PM
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Just make Grachev the missing winger. A much better solution than giving him up just to get rid of Drury, and then sign another overpaid UFA.

Really, I'd try hard to sign Kovalchuk, but if we can't land him, I'd only replace Rozy or Redden with Volchenkov (at around $5 million we could even save money that way). No other FA moves this season, and then in 2011 I'd make a run at some UFAs. Because 2011-12 is probably the first of maybe three or four seasons where we could actually be something like a contender with our core if we add a couple of key pieces via trade or free agency.
We can't land Kovalchuk without getting rid of BOTH Redden and Rozsival. Even then, we might not have the cap space to resign our RFAs and replace Redden AND Roszival.

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I want Volchenkov he is a great shot blocker and he is physical. The defense unit is way too soft. And the rangers will not be legitimate playoff team until they fix that.

I think adding Volchenkov and resigning Jokinin (if he plays well) or signing Marleau would fix more holes on the team than just signing Kovalchuk.

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I would love to see kovulchuck as a ranger but I don't think its going to happen. If not id want marleau on the rangers. He's scoring plenty of goals and will not want as much $ as kovy so we could sign other players and he would take some pressure off gabs.
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02-07-2010, 03:38 PM
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i dont think moving rozsival will be as easy as you guys make it seem...he's been dreadful the last 2 seasons, and has 2 more at the same cap hit. my guess is that we'll have to sacrifice a prospect or pick to move him.
but then again...i would have said the same thing about gomez and kotalik. let's hope there's a team this off-season who has a very very unfortunate defensive situation, and doesn't land any of the FA's they wanted.

i'd want only volchenkov if we can get redden or rozie off the cap, and if we can get him at about $4m per year, for 4 years.
i dont think sather will waive redden until last year (possibly 2) of his contract. it's just too much money, which means, no cap space for kovalchuk or marleau, which is fine by me. marleau is getting older and seems fragile, emotionally. i can't see him doing well here. kovalchuk is tempting but hes going to be asking for way too much money. we cant afford to keeping pressing ourselves against the cap like that, even if we manage to clear the cap space.

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We can't land Kovalchuk without getting rid of BOTH Redden and Rozsival. Even then, we might not have the cap space to resign our RFAs and replace Redden AND Roszival.
If we land Kovy, yes we have to dump both Redden and Rozy and sign a cheap UFA. If we don't land Kovy, we could keep one of them, but I'd prefer replacing both with Volchenkov and a rookie (Sangs or McDonagh).

And I'd absolutely stay away from Marleau. He will get $6 million and more, and I just don't think he would be worth that on the Rangers.

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I'm sure Kovy would love to play on a line with Avery.

I really dont think we should make a move for kovalchuk. I honestly rather see this team get a solid D man that is physical and aggressive. This team is to soft at the moment. Would love to see jagr return haha

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If we land Kovy, yes we have to dump both Redden and Rozy and sign a cheap UFA. If we don't land Kovy, we could keep one of them, but I'd prefer replacing both with Volchenkov and a rookie (Sangs or McDonagh).

And I'd absolutely stay away from Marleau. He will get $6 million and more, and I just don't think he would be worth that on the Rangers.
Out The Door:
Rozsival ($5M) - Traded for a draft pick.
Redden ($6.5) - Waived.
Jokinen ($5.25) - Traded at the deadline for a draft pick/prospect.
Lisin ($.79) - Don't re-sign.
Prospal ($1) - Don't re-sign.

That's $14.69 in cap space opened up for July 1.

Sign Kovalchuk to a front-loaded long term deal with a cap hit of $8.5.

That leaves us with $6.19 in cap space to resign our RFAs and fill some holes:

Re-sign:
Staal (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.826 to $2.5.
Girardi (RFA) - Give him a raise from $1.55 to $1.86.
Christensen (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.750 to $1.
Prust (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.500 to $.750.

That leaves us with $3.71 in cap space.

Here's our roster so far:

Dubinsky - Christensen - Gaborik
Kovalchuk - Anisimov - [Empty]
Callahan - Drury - Avery
Voros - Boyle - Prust

Brashear

Staal - [Empty]
MDZ - [Empty]
Girardi - Gilroy

[Empty]

Lundqvist
Johnson

4 roster spots, $3.71 in cap space.

Let's assume we call up Grachev ($.800) and Sanguinetti ($.800).

$2.1 left to sign two more defensemen.

Is Kovalchuk really worth it?

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Out The Door:
Rozsival ($5M) - Traded for a draft pick.
Redden ($6.5) - Waived.
Jokinen ($5.25) - Traded at the deadline for a draft pick/prospect.
Lisin ($.79) - Don't re-sign.
Prospal ($1) - Don't re-sign.

That's $14.69 in cap space opened up for July 1.

Sign Kovalchuk to a front-loaded long term deal with a cap hit of $8.5.

That leaves us with $6.19 in cap space to resign our RFAs and fill some holes:

Re-sign:
Staal (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.826 to $2.5.
Girardi (RFA) - Give him a raise from $1.55 to $1.86.
Christensen (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.750 to $1.
Prust (RFA) - Give him a raise from $.500 to $.750.

That leaves us with $3.71 in cap space.

Here's our roster so far:

Dubinsky - Christensen - Gaborik
Kovalchuk - Anisimov - [Empty]
Callahan - Drury - Avery
Voros - Boyle - Prust

Brashear

Staal - [Empty]
MDZ - [Empty]
Girardi - Gilroy

[Empty]

Lundqvist
Johnson

4 roster spots, $3.71 in cap space.

Let's assume we call up Grachev ($.800) and Sanguinetti ($.800).

$2.1 left to sign two more defensemen.

Is Kovalchuk really worth it?
Well, waive Voros and call up Byers, Soryal or whoever plays physical and earns near league minimum. So it's $2.6 million for two d-man. Now either we just go with 6 d-man like we do this season and most of last season. Or we sign a cheap vet for around 600k. That leaves $2 million for a defenseman.

Of course our defense would be pretty bad, but that's just the way it is until either Drurys contract is up in two years, or our young guys have enough experience.
Should we really be something like a contender (like I said, the earlies I see us possibly being that is 2011-2012) we could bring in a good defenseman at the deadline.

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Well, waive Voros and call up Byers, Soryal or whoever plays physical and earns near league minimum. So it's $2.6 million for two d-man. Now either we just go with 6 d-man like we do this season and most of last season. Or we sign a cheap vet for around 600k. That leaves $2 million for a defenseman.

Of course our defense would be pretty bad, but that's just the way it is until either Drurys contract is up in two years, or our young guys have enough experience.
Should we really be something like a contender (like I said, the earlies I see us possibly being that is 2011-2012) we could bring in a good defenseman at the deadline.
An issue I see with this strategy is that Callahan, Dubinsky, and Anisimov will all be RFA at the end of next season. We'll be at the cap ceiling with no contracts coming off the books except for Brashear and Gilroy.

The point is, we're going to be stuck in a worse situation next off-season unless we plan accordingly now. 2011 would be Gaborik and Kovalchuk surrounded by AHLers and Drury, with a defense whose average age will be 22.

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An issue I see with this strategy is that Callahan, Dubinsky, and Anisimov will all be RFA at the end of next season. We'll be at the cap ceiling with no contracts coming off the books except for Brashear and Gilroy.

The point is, we're going to be stuck in a worse situation next off-season unless we plan accordingly now. 2011 would be Gaborik and Kovalchuk surrounded by AHLers and Drury, with a defense whose average age will be 22.
I just did the cap calc at capgeek.com, and well, I got different total numbers (your out-the-door list adds up to $18.5 million):

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AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
* Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.500m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m)
Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m)
Donald Brashear ($1.400m) / * Erik Christensen ($1.000m) / Evgeny Grachev ($0.933m)
Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) / * Brandon Prust ($0.750m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
* Dane Byers ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Marc Staal ($2.500m) / * Daniel Girardi ($2.000m)
* UFA D-Man ($2.000m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)
* UFA D-Man ($0.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Chad Johnson ($0.850m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $53.485m; CAP ROOM: $3.960m BONUSES: $0.645m
$4 million of cap-room next season (if the cap stays the same). If Sather doesn't spend it on stupid multi-year-contracts (unfortunately I'm afraid he does) that and Brashear's 1.3 million should be enough to re-sign Dubi, Cally and Anisimov.

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I voted the 2nd option but I don't want Marleau with Volchenkov.

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Can this fan base please explain to me why you all want Kovalchuk so much. He is a floater and does not take over a game the way Ovy can. He isn't a physical force and sure doesn't seem interested in defensive hockey.

This sounds like a guy we should max salary to my fellow Ranger fans?

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Can this fan base please explain to me why you all want Kovalchuk so much. He is a floater and does not take over a game the way Ovy can. He isn't a physical force and sure doesn't seem interested in defensive hockey.

This sounds like a guy we should max salary to my fellow Ranger fans?
2009-10 New Jersey NHL 2 0 2 2 0 6 9 .00
2009-10 Atlanta NHL 49 31 27 58 +1 45 179 17.32
2009-10 Total Atl/NJ NHL 51 31 29 60 +1 51 188 16.49
2008-09 Atlanta NHL 79 43 48 91 -12 50 275 15.64
2007-08 Atlanta NHL 79 52 35 87 -12 52 283 18.37
2006-07 Atlanta NHL 82 42 34 76 -2 66 336 12.50
2005-06 Atlanta NHL 78 52 46 98 -6 68 323 16.10
2005-06 Mytischi Rus 11 8 5 13 - 24 - -
2005-06 Russia Olympic 8 4 1 5 - 31 - -
2004-05 Kazan Rus 53 19 23 42 +16 72 - -
2003-04 Atlanta NHL 81 41 46 87 -10 63 341 12.02
2002-03 Atlanta NHL 81 38 29 67 -24 57 257 14.79
2001-02 Atlanta NHL 65 29 22 51 -19 28 184 15.76

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2009-10 New Jersey NHL 2 0 2 2 0 6 9 .00
2009-10 Atlanta NHL 49 31 27 58 +1 45 179 17.32
2009-10 Total Atl/NJ NHL 51 31 29 60 +1 51 188 16.49
2008-09 Atlanta NHL 79 43 48 91 -12 50 275 15.64
2007-08 Atlanta NHL 79 52 35 87 -12 52 283 18.37
2006-07 Atlanta NHL 82 42 34 76 -2 66 336 12.50
2005-06 Atlanta NHL 78 52 46 98 -6 68 323 16.10
2005-06 Mytischi Rus 11 8 5 13 - 24 - -
2005-06 Russia Olympic 8 4 1 5 - 31 - -
2004-05 Kazan Rus 53 19 23 42 +16 72 - -
2003-04 Atlanta NHL 81 41 46 87 -10 63 341 12.02
2002-03 Atlanta NHL 81 38 29 67 -24 57 257 14.79
2001-02 Atlanta NHL 65 29 22 51 -19 28 184 15.76
Are these numbers supposed to support a guy who deserves max contract? I'm sorry Inferno i'm not impressed.

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Are these numbers supposed to support a guy who deserves max contract? I'm sorry Inferno i'm not impressed.

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yep, pretty much. when you play on horrible teams, youll have horrible stats. hes an offensive MACHINE. Ive heard these stupid arguments before about players, people trying to rationalize past the obvious. I dont care what stat you want to throw my way, all I have to say is this. Since 2001, no NHL player. None, Zero, Zip, Zilch, has more goals than Ilya Kovalchuk. This is a guy who scored 52 goals with Todd White as his center.

He doesnt have the physical game that AO has, but hes every bit as dominating. Surround him with guys like Backstrom, Green, Semin, Knuble, etc, and he would be putting up close to 60 goals a season as well.

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Kovy any day of the week and twice on a Sunday. Marleau will be overpayed, without Thornton he's a 30 goal scorer who could get payed upwards of 6 mill. Would love Volchenkov however.

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I'd like Sather to go after Volchenkov so long as he doesn't offer him a Redden-like contract.

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