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02-07-2010, 04:37 PM
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For the record, I would rather have Orr than that bum**** loser Lisin.

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02-07-2010, 04:42 PM
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For the record, I would rather have Orr than that bum**** loser Lisin.
But Lisin has speed! Don't you know? That's what wins now!

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02-07-2010, 04:49 PM
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if i had my way, we wouldnt have prust, orr or brashear.

id rather have Chris Neil on this team.

Fighting is overrated. Hitting is not.

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02-07-2010, 04:54 PM
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if i had my way, we wouldnt have prust, orr or brashear.

id rather have Chris Neil on this team.

Fighting is overrated. Hitting is not.
Even at his cap hit?

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02-07-2010, 04:54 PM
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I mean really. Do people on here actually cry themselves to sleep without Orr? God Damnit.
It is guys like you who give me nightmares.

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02-07-2010, 04:56 PM
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Even at his cap hit?
Yes.

Physicality would no longer be an issue for this team. His cap hit is 2 million dollars, take away Brashear and Prust, and you have Chris Neil on your roster for the same amount of money.

No offense to Prust, but Neil is just a frikkin monster. He makes game changing hits, can actually play hockey, and is built like a frikkin tank.

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02-07-2010, 05:24 PM
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Crap I totallyu forgot about Cally.

I haven't slept in like 3 days lol.

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02-07-2010, 05:30 PM
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Yes.

Physicality would no longer be an issue for this team. His cap hit is 2 million dollars, take away Brashear and Prust, and you have Chris Neil on your roster for the same amount of money.

No offense to Prust, but Neil is just a frikkin monster. He makes game changing hits, can actually play hockey, and is built like a frikkin tank.
This is absolutely correct but a lot of the people on here wanted to stupidly lump Neil in with other goons. They don't get the fact that hits are extremely important and that Neil can actually play the game as well.

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02-07-2010, 05:42 PM
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if i had my way, we wouldnt have prust, orr or brashear.

id rather have Chris Neil on this team.

Fighting is overrated. Hitting is not.
And that is why u are a Fantasy hockey GM and not a real one. Fighting and intimidation are still a big part of the game .

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02-07-2010, 05:44 PM
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And that is why u are a Fantasy hockey GM and not a real one. Fighting and intimidation are still a big part of the game .
Yes they are, just not from guys who are paid to solely do so.

The days of the designated enforcer are coming to an end...

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02-07-2010, 05:44 PM
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Yes.

Physicality would no longer be an issue for this team. His cap hit is 2 million dollars, take away Brashear and Prust, and you have Chris Neil on your roster for the same amount of money.

No offense to Prust, but Neil is just a frikkin monster. He makes game changing hits, can actually play hockey, and is built like a frikkin tank.
Chris neil is a pest that fights guys he can beat and hugs and holds on for dear life vs a Heavyweight he also causes his teammates to take hits and fight because he starts a lot of crap on the ice. Neil plus a heavyweight is the right way to use neil. He also didn't want to be a Ranger so F Neil

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02-07-2010, 05:46 PM
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And that is why u are a Fantasy hockey GM and not a real one. Fighting and intimidation are still a big part of the game .
oh yes, big part of the game, it's why the 3 best teams in the league, Washington, San Jose, and Chicago are ranked 4th, 21st, and 7th in the league in terms of FEWEST fights.

While the 5 teams with the most majors, Calgary, Anaheim, Philly, Tampa Bay, and St. Louis are currently ranked 7th, 12th, 8th, 7th, and 13th in the standings, with a very real chance that NONE of them make the playoffs.

Fighting has gone the way of the dinosaur.

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02-07-2010, 05:52 PM
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If you only had a clue. The Super Goon is for sure losing it's effect but the Matt Carkner , Colt Orr, Eric Godard Derrick Boogard are going now where. These guys are sought after and needed. Just because your coach ran a top 5 fighter out of ny is a joke. The NHL allows fighting and with a protector stars Like gabborik get beat up by little punks like Carcillio.

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02-07-2010, 05:57 PM
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If you only had a clue. The Super Goon is for sure losing it's effect but the Matt Carkner , Colt Orr, Eric Godard Derrick Boogard are going now where. These guys are sought after and needed. Just because your coach ran a top 5 fighter out of ny is a joke. The NHL allows fighting and with a protector stars Like gabborik get beat up by little punks like Carcillio.
If Colton Orr, Eric Godard, and Derrick Boogard are not "super goons" then I don't know what they are, because they sure as hell aren't hockey players. A goon doesn't stop Gaborik from getting beat up by Carcillo, just like Andrew Peters didn't stop Avery from getting under Kovalchuk's skin last night.

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02-07-2010, 05:58 PM
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If you only had a clue. The Super Goon is for sure losing it's effect but the Matt Carkner , Colt Orr, Eric Godard Derrick Boogard are going now where. These guys are sought after and needed. Just because your coach ran a top 5 fighter out of ny is a joke. The NHL allows fighting and with a protector stars Like gabborik get beat up by little punks like Carcillio.
right, and show me where this bears out in championships, standings, winning percentage or anything besides your head since the lockout?

Stanley Cup Finals since the lockout, the number in parenthesis is where they ranked in terms of fighting majors, IE, higher = more fights, lower = fewer fights...
Carolina (3) VS Edmonton (13)
Anaheim (30) VS Ottawa (12)
Detroit (1) VS Pittsburgh (21)
Pittsburgh (8) VS Detroit (1)

Only once in the past 4 years has a team in the top 5 in fighting been in the finals...the average rank in terms of fewest fights over the past 4 years? 11, basically the bottom 3rd.

Why? because goons dont get you goals, and it takes goals to win hockey games. Intimidation means absolutely nothing with the instigator rule in effect. An effective power play is far more important, as is hitting. Legal, physicality is a billion times more important than fighting. Fighting is almost entirely useless in this day and age, and is basically a staged event that allows 1 guy from each team to earn his paycheck by doing absolutely nothing to the flow of the game on most nights.

A middleweight who can hit and play is a billion times more important than a heavyweight who can knock your teeth out.

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02-07-2010, 06:15 PM
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If Colton Orr, Eric Godard, and Derrick Boogard are not "super goons" then I don't know what they are, because they sure as hell aren't hockey players. A goon doesn't stop Gaborik from getting beat up by Carcillo, just like Andrew Peters didn't stop Avery from getting under Kovalchuk's skin last night.
Orr is a serviceable 4th line player he and Betts were used vs Crosby and did their job rather well Boogard hits like a truck and when used right doesn't need to fight to intimidate. You guys are anti fighting and will never see a different point of view so not sure why try

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02-07-2010, 06:23 PM
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Orr is a serviceable 4th line player he and Betts were used vs Crosby and did their job rather well Boogard hits like a truck and when used right doesn't need to fight to intimidate. You guys are anti fighting and will never see a different point of view so not sure why try
I'm not anti fighting at all. It's just obvious the the designated fighter is on his way out. If fighting was disallowed Chris Neil and Dan Carcillo would still be in the NHL. Boogard and Orr wouldn't.

Inferno just showed you that fighting has very little correlation to winning. You don't need a goon to win. You haven't shown a single thread of evidence that proves otherwise.

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02-07-2010, 06:34 PM
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Detroit won without a goon yes but there talent level was insane. Pitt has Godard and Rupp The Ducks won the cup with May and Parros. The Devils had the Crash line Teams need tough guys in the regular season and true the playoffs now a days you don't see the fights you used to.

Carolina (3) VS Edmonton (13)
Anaheim (30) VS Ottawa (12)
Detroit (1) VS Pittsburgh (21)
Pittsburgh (8) VS Detroit (1)

The oilers were middle of the pack as were the Sens. The Pens were in the upper level being 21st so those numbers are of a little. The Ducks won and were a very tough team

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I'm not anti-fighting at all.

I'm pro-winning, which, this day and age, forces me to be anti-fighting.

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Detroit won without a goon yes but there talent level was insane. Pitt has Godard and Rupp The Ducks won the cup with May and Parros. The Devils had the Crash line Teams need tough guys in the regular season and true the playoffs now a days you don't see the fights you used to.

Carolina (3) VS Edmonton (13)
Anaheim (30) VS Ottawa (12)
Detroit (1) VS Pittsburgh (21)
Pittsburgh (8) VS Detroit (1)

The oilers were middle of the pack as were the Sens. The Pens were in the upper level being 21st so those numbers are of a little. The Ducks won and were a very tough team
you cant afford to waste roster spots on fighters. Middleweights, like Prust I suppose, are worth it, as long as they can play the game, Prust seems like hes not a waste of space, which is good, but for him to take the next step, he needs to be an active hitter.

Hitting>Fighting

Goal Scoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hitting>Fighting

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Why on earth would they want the shadowboxing bum?
I want a tough vet who fights too.

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02-07-2010, 07:39 PM
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Brash for MacIntyre, just so we can bury him in the minors.

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If you only had a clue. The Super Goon is for sure losing it's effect but the Matt Carkner , Colt Orr, Eric Godard Derrick Boogard are going now where. These guys are sought after and needed. Just because your coach ran a top 5 fighter out of ny is a joke. The NHL allows fighting and with a protector stars Like gabborik get beat up by little punks like Carcillio.
How are some of the guys you just listed anything more than a "super goon"?

Colton Orr brings absolutely nothing to the table other than fighting. And what's worse is that if someone goes after our star, it was never an eye for an eye, it was like an eye for a finger, because he'd just go out and find the other teams enforcer and couldn't do anything to the other teams star. I think over his tenure here, there's about 2 or 3 games total he actually did that...the game he was all over Crosby, and the time he crosschecked Ovechkin.

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Orr is a serviceable 4th line player
If Orr can't fight he's lucky to be in the AHL.

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