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02-08-2010, 02:43 PM
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Ottawa - Carolina

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Ray Whitney

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2nd Round Pick

Not sure how this would work out cap wise. I dont know if Ottawa is tight up against the cap or not.

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02-08-2010, 02:47 PM
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I would LOVE this deal, but it wouldn't work out cap wise.

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Carolina would have to take Cheechoo back. I don't think there's anyone else that can be moved in order to make the salaries work.

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Shannon + Picard + 2nd works cap wise (I think)

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If there was no cap, Sens would do this. Lee is done in Ottawa, most likely.

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Done deal! Although I think this puts Ottawa slightly over the cap, we'd have to make a minor deal to clear a smidge of room.

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How does it not work cap wise? We would only be taking in around a million for the rest of the way..

Carolina can take back one of Campoli/Picard/Winchester/Donovan to make this work

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02-08-2010, 03:21 PM
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canes can do better than lee, and they can get a better pick. one or the other of course, not both at the same time. i think whitney gets a 1st, and a decent prospect - not a stud.

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canes can do better than lee, and they can get a better pick. one or the other of course, not both at the same time. i think whitney gets a 1st, and a decent prospect - not a stud.
A 1st and a prospect? We'll have to see. I would say this kind of deal that the OP suggested is exactly in line with what Whitney will get, but...Wallin garnered a 2nd from SJ, so who knows.

Still think it's gonna be a decent prospect (like Teubert) and a 2nd rounder. In fact, I still think it'll be LA and I think it'll be those exact pieces.

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A 1st and a prospect? We'll have to see. I would say this kind of deal that the OP suggested is exactly in line with what Whitney will get, but...Wallin garnered a 2nd from SJ, so who knows.

Still think it's gonna be a decent prospect (like Teubert) and a 2nd rounder. In fact, I still think it'll be LA and I think it'll be those exact pieces.
Teuberts no stud, but I don't think I'd call him a decent prospect

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02-08-2010, 04:12 PM
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A 1st and a prospect? We'll have to see. I would say this kind of deal that the OP suggested is exactly in line with what Whitney will get, but...Wallin garnered a 2nd from SJ, so who knows.

Still think it's gonna be a decent prospect (like Teubert) and a 2nd rounder. In fact, I still think it'll be LA and I think it'll be those exact pieces.
you think? couldnt be because thats what everyone said the deal was, could it? not like your pulling that one out of the air. i would take that deal over lee and a 2nd. i think if its a first, its a prospect lesser than tuebert. thats what i meant. i think one piece will either be a 1st, or a prospect of teubert quality with a lower pick - and thats what i said in my first post.

lee hasnt been able to crack the sens for a couple of years, and most fans dont think much of him and wouldnt mind trading him at all. i think teubert is a better choice right now, the canes need more than one gleason physical type, and its possible they'll be getting fowler to add the offensive side.

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Part of the reason why Lee is getting moved is that he's unlikely to stick within the organization. He's actually a pretty decent Defenseman, but he needs to be on an NHL roster and actually playing quality minutes to actually hit his full worth.

A nice comparison is Strahlman in Columbus. Couldn't play in TO or Calgary, but he's made an impact on a Columbus roster. Lee isn't anywhere near as good Offensively, but Defensively he doesn't make very many mistakes and uses his size really well. He has good skating ability and can make very clean passes as well.

In Ottawa, he would likely be playing but we're carrying Picard and Campoli which are making NHL dollars right now. Lee is playing in the minors because of his two-way contract and the fact that he can still pass through waivers (makes him an ideal injury callup).

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all carolina has to do for ottawa to fit this under the cap is take donovan back.

or, ottawa could place foligno on LTIR retroactive to his injury. He's out 8 weeks anyways.

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you think? couldnt be because thats what everyone said the deal was, could it? not like your pulling that one out of the air. i would take that deal over lee and a 2nd. i think if its a first, its a prospect lesser than tuebert. thats what i meant. i think one piece will either be a 1st, or a prospect of teubert quality with a lower pick - and thats what i said in my first post.

lee hasnt been able to crack the sens for a couple of years, and most fans dont think much of him and wouldnt mind trading him at all. i think teubert is a better choice right now, the canes need more than one gleason physical type, and its possible they'll be getting fowler to add the offensive side.
Not much truth behind this. Lee has cracked the line up and has played well. the main reason he is not on the Sens this year is his contract and Karlsson. The reason i
am okay with trading him is that he may be able to get a decent return which is better than him playing in the ahl for us. I'd be shocked to find a fan that would be okay with trading him just for a prospect or a josh hennesy type of player.

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Not much truth behind this. Lee has cracked the line up and has played well. the main reason he is not on the Sens this year is his contract and Karlsson. The reason i
am okay with trading him is that he may be able to get a decent return which is better than him playing in the ahl for us. I'd be shocked to find a fan that would be okay with trading him just for a prospect or a josh hennesy type of player.
so im confused. is he playing or not? not, right ? that means he hasnt cracked his teams lineup because if he had...he would be playing. if karlson has him beat for a spot then he isnt cracking the lineup. people are saying he isnt going to play for your organization - cuz he isnt good enough to beat others for jobs, right?

your not trading him for a hennesy or a prospect, your trading him for top line rental.

the earlier comparison to strahlman doesnt make sense as a vote of confidence, either. traded by two teams, and the team he found a spot on is struggling to not be a bottom feeder. all the "reasons" why you guys arent keeping him or playing adds up to one thing - he isnt good enough to play for you guys. doesnt matter what style a guy plays if he is good enough.

not trying to talk him down, or pick a fight - the facts are what they are. he isnt making the sens, others have him beat out, and you guys dont mind moving him. he's expendable.

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canes can do better than lee, and they can get a better pick. one or the other of course, not both at the same time. i think whitney gets a 1st, and a decent prospect - not a stud.
I think that train came and went. With Whitney in control of where he goes, the bidding war for him is gone and he likely won't pull in the return he could have gotten. Considering JR pulled the trigger on a 2nd + Teubs/Voynov, a 2nd + Lee is certainly enough for Whitney. Lee may not be a stud, but he's still a solid prospect that could pan out to be an all around 2nd pairing defenseman if we take our time with him. Not to mention I feel Lee is a much better prospect than Teubert. Teubs has a lot of potential, but since being drafted, he's been nothing more than a big hitter IMO.

If we dealt Corvo, I'd have no problem with taking Campoli back.

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Whitney worth WAY more try:
TO Ottawa:
Whitney
2nd round pick
TO Carolina:
Foligno
Carkner

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Whitney worth WAY more try:
TO Ottawa:
Whitney
2nd round pick
TO Carolina:
Foligno
Carkner
..........?


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Whitney worth WAY more try:
TO Ottawa:
Whitney
2nd round pick
TO Carolina:
Foligno
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What are you smoking?

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Whitney worth WAY more try:
TO Ottawa:
Whitney
2nd round pick
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Carkner
ottawa's not trading a young 2nd line winger and a #5 dman signed at 700k for 2 years for a 2nd line winger.

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ottawa's not trading a young 2nd line winger and a #5 dman signed at 700k for 2 years for a 2nd line winger.
And Carolina isn't going to move Whitney and a second (what rebuilding team is going to move draft picks?) for a bottom pairing dman and a 2nd liner.

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And Carolina isn't going to move Whitney and a second (what rebuilding team is going to move draft picks?) for a bottom pairing dman and a 2nd liner.
didnt notice the 2nd, but regardless, a playoff team doesnt move 2 important roster players for 1 who is marginally better.

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