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01-18-2005, 06:42 PM
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Esposito doesn't agree with players. NHLPA is wrong.

Phil is not the only one who knows the NHLPA and the players are wrong this time. I hope the players realize this tomorrow in that meeting and finally come to an agreement. I still think we are going to have hockey and this meeting will determine if they do or not IMO.


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1/18/2005

TAMPA, Fla. (CP) - Hall of Famer Phil Esposito doesn't understand why NHL players are adamant about not accepting a salary cap.


"Well, for the first time in my lifetime, I don't agree with the players," Esposito said Tuesday. "I think they're wrong this time. It's the first time, ever, that I ever thought the players were wrong. And this time I just do not understand what the big deal is with a salary cap. I just don't understand it.

"(It's) not going to affect anybody, but it might take away the 10-11 million dollar player which, there is no room for it anyway in the National Hockey League, because the revenues just don't justify it."

"If they come to an agreement tomorrow, they wouldn't be able to play until probably Feb. 1. So it'd be February, March, April, three months. . .

"So I don't know. It's touch and go. . ."

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Now watch as the NHLPA comes out and blasts Espo for being a former GM. He's right on with his assessment, but the players will still lash out at him for the comment.

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Now watch as the NHLPA comes out and blasts Espo for being a former GM. He's right on with his assessment, but the players will still lash out at him for the comment.
You and he couldn't be more wrong, especially this part:

"(It's) not going to affect anybody, but it might take away the 10-11 million dollar player which, there is no room for it anyway in the National Hockey League, because the revenues just don't justify it."

The Brodeur's, Niedermayer's and Elias's won't be the ones that take the big hit. It'll be the Colin White's, Sergei Brylin's, Tommy Albelin of the world that will get squeezed in a big way.

Star's will still be paid like stars, but 3rd/4th line and 5-7th defenseman will get creamed in a hard cap world.

Take a look at the NFL, it's not the QB's or other star players that are taking a beating. It's the OG, special teams player, back-up LB that suffer the most.

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You and he couldn't be more wrong, especially this part:

"(It's) not going to affect anybody, but it might take away the 10-11 million dollar player which, there is no room for it anyway in the National Hockey League, because the revenues just don't justify it."

The Brodeur's, Niedermayer's and Elias's won't be the ones that take the big hit. It'll be the Colin White's, Sergei Brylin's, Tommy Albelin of the world that will get squeezed in a big way.

Star's will still be paid like stars, but 3rd/4th line and 5-7th defenseman will get creamed in a hard cap world.

Take a look at the NFL, it's not the QB's or other star players that are taking a beating. It's the OG, special teams player, back-up LB that suffer the most.
Don't compare apples to oranges, Jon. The reason for the OGs, special teams players, and back-up LBs "suffering the most" has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAP. It has EVERYTHING to do with the NFL's CBA which doesn't guarantee contracts. Do you honestly believe Peyton Manning will earn the $$ he is to earn at the end of his contract? Think again. The NFL has a great agreement, but the fact that no contracts are guaranteed prove it has faults. IF the NFL had guaranteed contracts, you wouldn't see the constant cutting of OGs, special teams players, and back-up LBs.

The NHL sits on the precipice of having the least conducive CBA among the Big Four (when compared to its market) transform into possibly the best . . . IF it contains guaranteed contracts. Guaranteeing contracts will make owners think twice about signing a player to a backend-loaded deal. The NFL can get away with it because at any time, the player can be cut with only a cap penalty as a deterrent.

By the way, here is a list of players cut last year at the deadline. True, there are some nominal players on this list, but there are also some "skilled position" players as well as players who were on teams for nearly a decade.

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Don't compare apples to oranges, Jon. The reason for the OGs, special teams players, and back-up LBs "suffering the most" has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAP. It has EVERYTHING to do with the NFL's CBA which doesn't guarantee contracts. Do you honestly believe Peyton Manning will earn the $$ he is to earn at the end of his contract? Think again. The NFL has a great agreement, but the fact that no contracts are guaranteed prove it has faults. IF the NFL had guaranteed contracts, you wouldn't see the constant cutting of OGs, special teams players, and back-up LBs.

The NHL sits on the precipice of having the least conducive CBA among the Big Four (when compared to its market) transform into possibly the best . . . IF it contains guaranteed contracts. Guaranteeing contracts will make owners think twice about signing a player to a backend-loaded deal. The NFL can get away with it because at any time, the player can be cut with only a cap penalty as a deterrent.

By the way, here is a list of players cut last year at the deadline. True, there are some nominal players on this list, but there are also some "skilled position" players as well as players who were on teams for nearly a decade.
Obviously not having the guaranteed deals is a problem , that it doesn't sound like the NHL is pushing for. That still isn't the only problem, the top end guys in the NFL eat up a huge portion of the cap space.

The lower end guys never get any signing bonus $$$. Also in the NFL you see a whole slew of guys playing for the league minimum. In th eNHL almost nobody plays for the minimum, and very few for less than $500K. That would change in a hurry.

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Obviously not having the guaranteed deals is a problem , that it doesn't sound like the NHL is pushing for. That still isn't the only problem, the top end guys in the NFL eat up a huge portion of the cap space.

The lower end guys never get any signing bonus $$$. Also in the NFL you see a whole slew of guys playing for the league minimum. In th eNHL almost nobody plays for the minimum, and very few for less than $500K. That would change in a hurry.
When you have a cap, the low-price talent is coveted to offset the high-price talent. There will probably be fewer low-end guys sticking around with one team for a lot of years, but that's why they call them "journeymen." It also increases competition at the low-end salary level. If you are a 22 year-old grinder, your salary is going to be far less than a 32 year-old grinder. But, you can't put a price on experience. It all evens out.

And besides, cost cerainty is all about trimming salaries anyway. 25% across the board. Players have the most to lose, and they have to realize that they need to lose it. Cutting low-end salaries won't make that much of a difference. The BIG salaries will be slashed, and with that slashing, the other players should be safe. I mean, if you were an owner, would you rather save a $125,000 from the cutting of a $500,000 salary or $2.5 million from a $10 million salary?

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