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09-02-2009, 11:20 PM
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HF's Stars Top 20 Prospects

Finally here! Reading it now.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2009/

1. (2) Ivan Vishnevskiy, D
2. (3) Jamie Benn, LW
3. (NR) Scott Glennie, RW
4. (4) Fabian Brunnstrom, LW
5. (7) Philip Larsen, D
6. (6) Ondrej Roman, LW/C
7. (NR) Alex Chiasson, RW
8. (9) Richard Bachman, G
9. (14) Tom Wandell, C
10. (13) Matt Tassone, C
11. (10) Raymond Sawada, RW
12. (11) Sergei Korostin, RW
13. (8) Perttu Lindgren, C
14. (12) Colton Sceviour, RW
15. (18) Tyler Beskorowany, G
16. (NR) Curtis McKenzie, LW
17. (NR) Austin Smith, RW
18. (20) Guillaume Monast, D
19. (15) Scott Winkler, C
20. (NR) Tomas Vincour, RW

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[Larsen's] combination of fantastic footwork and passing ability makes him one of the more underrated prospects in the world right now.
Dallas has six 5th rounders in their Top 20.


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09-02-2009, 11:54 PM
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You've gotta be ****in kidding me, Derek Stepan can have an 8.0 rating but Scott friggin Glennie, 8th overall pick can't? I figure that on hype alone the kid would get an 8 around these parts.

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Loui Eriksson got a 7.0C, which makes fairly excited about this batch of 7.5's.

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Finally here! Reading it now.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2009/

1. (2) Ivan Vishnevskiy, D
2. (3) Jamie Benn, LW
3. (NR) Scott Glennie, RW
4. (4) Fabian Brunnstrom, LW
5. (7) Philip Larsen, D
6. (6) Ondrej Roman, LW/C
7. (NR) Alex Chiasson, RW
8. (9) Richard Bachman, G
9. (14) Tom Wandell, C
10. (13) Matt Tassone, C
11. (10) Raymond Sawada, RW
12. (11) Sergei Korostin, RW
13. (8) Perttu Lindgren, C
14. (12) Colton Sceviour, RW
15. (18) Tyler Beskorowany, G
16. (NR) Curtis McKenzie, LW
17. (NR) Austin Smith, RW
18. (20) Guillaume Monast, D
19. (15) Scott Winkler, C
20. (NR) Tomas Vincour, RW



Dallas has six 5th rounders in their Top 20.
The order doesnt seem too bad. I was hoping someone on the Stars would manage an 8.0. Its not like 8.0 means allstar player or anything. Going by the criteria HF lists I certainly think Vishnevskiy has the potential to become a number 2 defensemen, and Glennie has the potential to be a first liner. Not that its a big deal.

The next thing that jumped out at me is that while reilly smith didnt make the top 20, curtis mckenzie did. I dont think its wrong or anything, but I would like to hear the thought process behind it, given that neither of the two were very highly thought of.

Then we have Sacchetti falling off the list. He may eventually climb back up, but at this point it doesnt really seem unfair that hes dropped. As we discussed in another thread, I think he made a poor choice of colleges. Maybe he chose school prestige over a good situation for himself as a hockey player. I suspect he will finish all 4 years there and hopefully really evolve as a player in his junior and senior years.

Overall a good job, I think. The stars prospects must be pretty hard to rank since they seem to fit into tiers where you could make a strong chase for each player in that tier to be at the top of it. Also the Stars have seemed to go off the board recently but picking high potential guys so alot of these guys probably don't have alot a ton of exposure.

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09-03-2009, 12:09 AM
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oh and another thing on Curtis Mckenzie. Its looking more and more like there might actually be something to the Jamie Benn comparisons. If thats the case I suspect he will rocket up the list as well.

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question...

whats the calder criteria is it less than 41 games? if brunstrom is still classed as a prospect can he qualify for the calder this year?

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question...

whats the calder criteria is it less than 41 games? if brunstrom is still classed as a prospect can he qualify for the calder this year?
Calder criteria is 25 games or less, or fewer than 26 games in the previous two seasons combined. Either way, he's not eligble.

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09-03-2009, 08:38 AM
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What is it about Sceviour that gets him ranked so low?

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2009/

This kid has had a couple great seasons at Lethbridge...granted he was not good-Average in Portland but i do not see why he is so far down in our prospect rankings?

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09-03-2009, 09:13 AM
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Calder criteria is 25 games or less, or fewer than 26 games in the previous two seasons combined. Either way, he's not eligble.
And the HF criteria for prospects is less than 65 games played.

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09-03-2009, 01:11 PM
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Couple of things.

I know Peoria's job was to develop Blues' players but man did they miss the boat by not playing Vishnevskiy more.

My McKenzie interest seems to be mirrored by someone else. That makes me feel good and hopefully portends better things in his future.

I may not be giving Vincour enough credit. He may be the guy I'm most interested in checking out box scores this year. Benn was my guy last season. If Vincour can score like his talent suggests he's another late round gem.

I've always had a soft spot for Austin Smith. All he's ever done at every level he's played is score. Colgate isn't the greatest college program but if he leads them in scoring this season I seriously hope the Stars come along with an ELC and buy him out. One more year of college then a year plus in Austin and he may be ready. I'm really rooting for him.

Oh, one final thing, Les Jackson you totally rock. He and his staff have done an amazing job considering where Dallas has picked and the few number of total selections due to trades by others. I love that they're willing to take chances on guys that fall due to injury (see Larsen, Vincour) and I really love that they're willing to look wherever, including midget hockey and SEL junior leagues for talent. A lot of studs play major CHL hockey but Benn and company are proving finding them earlier or elsewhere can net you fantastic players later in the draft.

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Okay, this is how I'm going to wrap up our HF-Voted Top 20. This way we can have an easy frame of comparison and see where each prospect shook out in both lists. Color-coded for ease of matching.

 HF's ListOur List
1.VishnevskiyVishnevskiy
2.BennBenn
3.GlennieGlennie
4.BrunnstromLarsen
5.LarsenWandell
6.RomanRoman
7.ChiassonBachman
8.BachmanChiasson
9.WandellSawada
10.TassoneSceviour
11.SawadaKorostin
12.KorostinTassone
13.LindgrenWinkler
14.SceviourBeskorowany
15.BeskorowanySacchetti
16.McKenzieLindgren
17.A. SmithVincour
18.MonastA. Smith
19.WinklerR. Smith
20.VincourMcKenzie

In the end, these lists are more notable for their congruency than anything else. There are a few exceptions: for instance we seem more willing to give Sacchetti and Winkler time to develop and we're higher on a guy like Wandell after his NHL performance last season. Early returns from Traverse City make our higher slotting of Vincour look favorable. We also managed to fit in all 5 of the summer's draft picks.

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09-11-2009, 07:40 PM
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I think a valid case can be made for Tyler Beskorowany to be rated higher. I don't see how Bachman is rated higher than him? Tyler is 3 years younger, 6 inches taller and still performed at least as well as Bachman in the just completed rookie tourney. It should be very interesting to see how they both perform during the Stars' training camp.
Plaaying with a much stronger team in Kingston will help Beskorowany a lot and I bet that when rankings are adjusted in the New Year, he will rise up significantly!

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Thought it might be interesting to revisit our rankings after the recent shake-up and the rookie seasons/graduations of Benn and Wandell.

1. Glennie
2. Larsen
3. Bachman
4. Chiasson
5. Roman

What about something like that as the new top 5?

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I think it's fair, I could see some guys contending for the 5th spot though, like Sceviour or Sawada or Vincour. I think whether Larsen or Glennie will be the bigger impact player is also hard to say, Larsen just seems like a classic underrated stars prospect that makes a surprising impact. Then again, our track record for developing d-men has been spotty at best lately.

Man I hope we have some good upcoming drafts, that is a weak top 5, especially with Larsen likely to graduate next year.

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our talent pool is now mega low

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Thought it might be interesting to revisit our rankings after the recent shake-up and the rookie seasons/graduations of Benn and Wandell.

1. Glennie
2. Larsen
3. Bachman
4. Chiasson
5. Roman

What about something like that as the new top 5?
I'm not as high on Bachman. I'd have him 6th. I'm really impressed with what McKenzie has done at Miami as a freshman.

1. Glennie
2. Larsen
3. Roman
4. Chiasson
5. McKenzie
6. Bachman

But what the hell do I know. I like Vish more than Niskanen.

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it is tough to do a top 5....

Glennie
Larsen
Chiasson
Roman
A Smith

I threw austin in there for fun, but he is playing really well.

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If we're considering Benn and Wandell graduated, I'll go with:

Larsen
Glennie
Roman
Chiasson
A. Smith

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our talent pool is now mega low
Glass half full: that's because the majority of them have had success in the NHL (Grossman, Fistric, Eriksson, Neal, Benn, Wandell, etc, etc)

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