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02-10-2010, 06:00 PM
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imho free agency should be used to get the top of the top end talent if it hits it, and for cheap fill in options. its the in between that screws you. those are the guys you should develop from within as cheap alternatives. its guys like Gomez, Drury, Kalinin, Kotalik, Redden, etc. Guys who are middle area guys at their respective positions getting paid WAY more than they should that screw a team over cap wise. Try to stock your 2nd through 4th lines from within, and your bottom 4 defense from within. if you can get your top d-pair and your top line from within too, or at least parts of it, thats a bonus.

Get me Kovalchuk. Get me Marian Hossa. Get me Marian Gaborik. Get me guys of that ilk. Don't get me Frolov or those kinds of guys. they can be had for much cheaper from within the organization.
Inferno, we've disagreed with some coaching issues, but I agree with this post 100%.

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So, with our problems with secondary scoring, what would you guys think about bringing in Frolov if the price was right? I am intrigued by him and think that he would flourish in NY with the style of play that Torts has brought.

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assuming he is getting paid like a secondary scoring forward and not being forced into the primary scoring forward role only to underachieve, AND assuming it's because we didn't land kovalchuk so we had cap to spend, then yeah.

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If there one thing that this franchise doesn't need, it's another underachiever like Frolov.

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If there one thing that this franchise doesn't need, it's another underachiever like Frolov.
Please explain why you think he is an underachiever and what in his game you don't think will translate well here. Thanks!

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He'd fill the "talented but extremely lazy" void that was created when Zherdev left

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Please explain why you think he is an underachiever and what in his game you don't think will translate well here. Thanks!
It has been pretty widely reported that the guy has motivational issues. Those are the kind of players that we should be avoiding.

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Plekanec!! 4-4.5 million. This team needs a legit playmaker and a center who can distribute the puck. I would rather throw money at a player who can make the players around him better than someone who is a sniper with Gaborik already here. However, it would be nice to get Plekanec AND Kovalchuk.
Plekanec is a second liner that will get upwards of 5 million if he goes to UFA. Not something we need.

Frolov would be a pretty good pickup at 4-4.5 million, but I doubt he signs with anybody for under 5.5. Didn't he deny a 5 million dollar offer from the Kings? He doesn't deserve that kind of money, and we can't afford to give it to him.

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Plekanec is a second liner that will get upwards of 5 million if he goes to UFA. Not something we need.

Frolov would be a pretty good pickup at 4-4.5 million, but I doubt he signs with anybody for under 5.5. Didn't he deny a 5 million dollar offer from the Kings? He doesn't deserve that kind of money, and we can't afford to give it to him.
Pass on Frolov, the Rangers need 1 of 3 things:

1) Elite level forward(read Kovalchuk/Heatley/Kopitar level)

2) Playmaking Center who can make the players around him better

3) Punishing, hard-hitting defenseman with some grit.

I honestly think I would put the needs in that order.

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Nothing short of a superstar player is going to solve our scoring problems. If we can't land Kovalchuk Just save the cap space.

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what he said.

what both of these guys said

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I wanted Frolov to be Ranger for a couple years, until I read about his attitude and lack of compete level.

So, no thanks to Frolov.

I only want guys with skill and the effort and character to back it up.

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Free agency is for finishing touches, not for trying to fill large gaps in the lineup. If we're looking for secondary scoring, throw an offer to Chicago for Versteeg. That kid is skilled and incredibly versatile.

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I hate when people think a superstar player is the answer to everything. We already have Gaborik, from there, we should build at depth. Frolov is a good sub-superstar player that net a good 30 goals. Look at the LA Kings. They have Anze Kopitar, who has 27 goals on the season, and everybody under that has less than 20 goals. Smyth has 18, Handzus has 15, etc. You don't always need superstar players to be a successful team. You need depth. And the Rangers have 0 of that.
bingo

theres a bunch of teams that are better than the rangers that don't have a gaborik

let alone a gaborik AND a kolvochuk

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bingo

theres a bunch of teams that are better than the rangers that don't have a gaborik

let alone a gaborik AND a kolvochuk
and almost all of them have developed their all around team full of 2nd liners from within. you cant build THAT kind of a team from free agency, you can, however, build a highly competitive team via free agency if you pick and choose your battles, see Devils, New Jersey for proof.

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we should make this a poll........

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and almost all of them have developed their all around team full of 2nd liners from within. you cant build THAT kind of a team from free agency, you can, however, build a highly competitive team via free agency if you pick and choose your battles, see Devils, New Jersey for proof.
i agree with you, im just saying that in response to the posters who are saying our biggest need as a team is another superstar

it would certainlly be nice, but 2 elite superstars is not a fundamental piece of a successful team

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Pass on Frolov, the Rangers need 1 of 3 things:

1) Elite level forward(read Kovalchuk/Heatley/Kopitar level)

2) Playmaking Center who can make the players around him better

3) Punishing, hard-hitting defenseman with some grit.

I honestly think I would put the needs in that order.
Agreed. This has been beaten to death, but I think our lack of scoring depth is also an important issue. Probably more important than bringing in a superstar. If we could grab one or two thirty goal scorers in free agency and maybe gain another twenty goal guy from within (Grachev, Avery, Drury?), I think we are better off than bringing in 50 goals of Kovalchuk. Because with his cap hit, we won't have any space at all to bring in scoring depth. We'd be in basically the same position as this year.

But 2 and 3 are some things that we absolutely need before we can be a legitimate team.

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i agree with you, im just saying that in response to the posters who are saying our biggest need as a team is another superstar

it would certainlly be nice, but 2 elite superstars is not a fundamental piece of a successful team
Malkin, Crosby.


Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom


Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne


Lecavalier, St. Louis, Richards

just off the top of my head...

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Malkin, Crosby.


Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom


Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne


Lecavalier, St. Louis, Richards

just off the top of my head...
i get what your saying....but i dont really think that ALL of those guys are on the Gaborik Kolvy level.....thats not to say they're not great players

but those teams also had a fantastic supporting casts, which is something this team lacks

before we need another superstar (as great as that would be) we need depth

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Malkin, Crosby.


Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom


Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne


Lecavalier, St. Louis, Richards

just off the top of my head...
Don't forget Gonchar, Niedermeyer, and Boyle. Those guys were huge parts of their teams. A #1 d-man is also something this team still lacks, and is often overlooked.

Kovalchuk and Gaborik would be great, but we'd still be lacking in certain areas.

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Plekanec is a first line player, no doubt. He may not be a stud, but he's a first line player.

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Don't forget Gonchar, Niedermeyer, and Boyle. Those guys were huge parts of their teams. A #1 d-man is also something this team still lacks, and is often overlooked.

Kovalchuk and Gaborik would be great, but we'd still be lacking in certain areas.
yeah, also forgot Pronger too.

I think we have a #1 defenseman. Staal. I dont think #1's need to put up 60+ points, i think they need to be guys you can send out for 30 minutes a night if need be and know youll be solid in your own zone the entire time. IMHO Staal is that kind of a player. For our PP, we have MDZ...he's 19 and doing amazing things...imagine when he hits his prime....6 years from now

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Frolov will command serious cash in free agency. Pass, unfortunately.

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