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02-12-2010, 06:46 PM
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Johnsson's been having a pretty good season for the Wild this year. The offense isn't there but he's apparently improved his defensive game significantly.

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02-12-2010, 07:10 PM
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Weren't you the one who said, "Who are we to criticize GM's?" And no your questioning two signings by our beloved GM?


Good move for both teams I think. While Barker is nice, he cannot play defense. He scored points really well, no doubt, but that was mostly on a VERY talented PP. Keith, Toews and Kane on the same PP will boost anyone's numbers.
You misunderstood me. Our mess is solely on Kevin Lowe's shoulders.

The Olympics is a braintrust made up of all the best in the business.

I have and always will feel Kevin Lowe's head must roll for this debacle.

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It's a curious deal for Chicago. I don't think Johnsson is much better than Barker atm, other than Johnsson has more experience. Getting Leddy in the deal is a pretty good deal for Chi, but Chi is ready to win now, so I'm just now sure how it makes sense in the short term for Chi.

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You misunderstood me. Our mess is solely on Kevin Lowe's shoulders.

The Olympics is a braintrust made up of all the best in the business.

I have and always will feel Kevin Lowe's head must roll for this debacle.
Who are we to criticize Steve Yzerman and other GMs who watch 100's of games and know more about hockey and building a team more than everyone on this board combined? Get a grip all you armchair GMs.

Personally I do not like our defence or goaltending but it's the best we got. Neidermeyer and Pronger are too old and slow, Brodeur is too old, and Luongo cracks under pressure. mark my words. The D and goaltending will cost us.


The bolded part was your post in the Hockey Canada, WTF thread. Yet here you are criticizing management. Pot, meet kettle. You say this in that thread, yet here you are criticizing management which you attacked others in that thread.

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Johnsson's been having a pretty good season for the Wild this year. The offense isn't there but he's apparently improved his defensive game significantly.
He definitely has, I've watched a few Wild games this year (ugh) and on a lot of nights he's been their best defenseman.

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02-12-2010, 09:08 PM
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It's a curious deal for Chicago. I don't think Johnsson is much better than Barker atm, other than Johnsson has more experience. Getting Leddy in the deal is a pretty good deal for Chi, but Chi is ready to win now, so I'm just now sure how it makes sense in the short term for Chi.
Johnsson is good in his own end

Barker is brutal in his own end

We would have had to trade him in offseason.

Johnsson makes us better now and Leddy is a nice longterm prospect (Lots of years of development needed)

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Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't Johnsson make a good deal more money than Barker? If that's the case, how in the heck does Chicago have room to take on more salary?

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Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't Johnsson make a good deal more money than Barker? If that's the case, how in the heck does Chicago have room to take on more salary?
He's a UFA at seasons end. This move is for next year.

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He's a UFA at seasons end. This move is for next year.
Gracias... In that case, it's a good move for the Hawks imo, Johnsson is a good deal better than Barker and they clear money for the near future when the big three's extensions kick in.

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02-12-2010, 09:40 PM
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Johnsson is good in his own end

Barker is brutal in his own end

We would have had to trade him in offseason.

Johnsson makes us better now and Leddy is a nice longterm prospect (Lots of years of development needed)
I don't know about that. I know Barker has had his struggles this year, but Johnsson is marginally better. I would have thought Chicago would have went after someone bigger than Johnsson that is an upcoming UFA.

We'll see how Johnsson pans out fer ya.

I agree though, Barker was a cap casualty for next year.

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I don't know about that. I know Barker has had his struggles this year, but Johnsson is marginally better. I would have thought Chicago would have went after someone bigger than Johnsson that is an upcoming UFA.

We'll see how Johnsson pans out fer ya.

I agree though, Barker was a cap casualty for next year.
We are def. better trust me. Cam Barker has potential, but was a horrible fit and horrible Defensively.

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I don't know about that. I know Barker has had his struggles this year, but Johnsson is marginally better. I would have thought Chicago would have went after someone bigger than Johnsson that is an upcoming UFA.

We'll see how Johnsson pans out fer ya.

I agree though, Barker was a cap casualty for next year.
Marginally better than Barker?

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Johnsson has essentially been Minny's #1 D-man for the past 4 seasons, playing almost 10 more minutes per game than Barker with better numbers across the board, on a much crummier team. While not elite in any particular department, KJ is the definition of a solid, reliable defenseman.

Chicago is most definitely a better team with Johnsson. Barker is, and always will be overrated. As many people have stated he can't play defense, which is pretty much 100% true.

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Marginally better than Barker?

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Johnsson has essentially been Minny's #1 D-man for the past 4 seasons, playing almost 10 more minutes per game than Barker with better numbers across the board, on a much crummier team. While not elite in any particular department, KJ is the definition of a solid, reliable defenseman.

Chicago is most definitely a better team with Johnsson.
^^THIS

Johnsson is a clearly a better Dman than Barker and he will make Chicago's defense better immediately, a good guy to have for the playoffs..... Barker, on the other hand, has a long way to go defensively and was hurting Chicago more than helping them, this is a very good deal for the Hawks on several fronts.

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02-12-2010, 11:33 PM
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Marginally better than Barker?

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Johnsson has essentially been Minny's #1 D-man for the past 4 seasons, playing almost 10 more minutes per game than Barker with better numbers across the board, on a much crummier team. While not elite in any particular department, KJ is the definition of a solid, reliable defenseman.

Chicago is most definitely a better team with Johnsson. Barker is, and always will be overrated. As many people have stated he can't play defense, which is pretty much 100% true.
Throw stats at me? I'll throw them right back at ya.

Cam Barker
2008-09 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 68 6 34 40 65 -6
2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 51 4 10 14 58 7

Kim Johnsson
2008-09 Minnesota Wild NHL 81 2 22 24 44 -3
2009-10 Minnesota Wild NHL 52 6 8 14 26 3

If you want to think Johnsson is way better that is fine, but no need to talk ****.

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Great trade for Chicago. Not just now, but in the long-run.

Barker was never going to be what they projected, and well, his name has been in trade rumors for the past two seasons.

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02-13-2010, 12:28 AM
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Cam Barker
2008-09 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 68 6 34 40 65 -6
2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 51 4 10 14 58 7

Kim Johnsson
2008-09 Minnesota Wild NHL 81 2 22 24 44 -3
2009-10 Minnesota Wild NHL 52 6 8 14 26 3

If you want to think Johnsson is way better that is fine, but no need to talk ****.
Stats dont mean much

Barker was our #6 this year , He has been a trainwreck.

Brent Sopel has been saving his ### defensively all year. That tells you how brutal Barker is (Sopel is solid defensively, But he is Brent Sopel)

As a Hawk fan trust me

Johnsson >>> Barker now

I think both teams will be fine with this deal.

Barker has great potential and maybe he can put it together up in Minnesota.

Hawks got a vet dman who makes us a better team now and free's up cap room after year. We also picked up a defensive prospect who is a longterm project. We are reloading our farm on defense over last 2 drafts with Lalonde , Olsen , Zahn and have Brian Connelly in Rockford ready for NHL.

So it was a perfect trade for Hawks in all 3 area's of importance to us

1-Improves team now
2-Clears cap room
3-Gives us another prospect with potential for our system

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Throw stats at me? I'll throw them right back at ya.

Cam Barker
2008-09 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 68 6 34 40 65 -6
2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 51 4 10 14 58 7

Kim Johnsson
2008-09 Minnesota Wild NHL 81 2 22 24 44 -3
2009-10 Minnesota Wild NHL 52 6 8 14 26 3

If you want to think Johnsson is way better that is fine, but no need to talk ****.
Well, I didn't throw a single stat out at you but okay buddy... and now you're being told by Blackhawks fans themselves that he's a "trainwreck"... keep on believing what you want though, it's a free country.

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Throw stats at me? I'll throw them right back at ya.

Cam Barker
2008-09 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 68 6 34 40 65 -6
2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 51 4 10 14 58 7

Kim Johnsson
2008-09 Minnesota Wild NHL 81 2 22 24 44 -3
2009-10 Minnesota Wild NHL 52 6 8 14 26 3

If you want to think Johnsson is way better that is fine, but no need to talk ****.
those stats are horribly misleading when you compare the quality of players they are matched up against and the number of goals scored by either team.

here's a single stat that speaks volumes:

Johnsson SH ATOI/G: 2:29
Barker SH ATOI/G: 0:02

Edit: Chicago would have had to throw more into a trade to get something better than Johnsson out of Barker. I think they did well to get a prospect with pedigree.

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You can say it... you'd be wrong, but you can say it.

He plays 22 minutes a game against the absolute best the other team has to offer with mediocre linemates and has middle-of-the-league results in ES GA.
I hate to break this to you but Gilbert is NOT better then Cam Barker especially when you consider both players' salaries. Gilbert is a second assist type of player and his defensive game is subpar. If you watch Gilbert closely, he's clearly the type of player that will turn the puck over rather then take a hit to make a good play. On top of that, he's soft and can't mix it up with anyone.

I liked Gilbert a lot when he broke into the league but ever since he got concussed 2 or 3 seasons ago, I noticed his defensive game take a turn for the worse! It would be great to unload him but the Oilers will have a very hard time even if he does begin producing at the pace he was last season.


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