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02-15-2010, 11:16 AM
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if he can and the price is right we should

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No, for so many reasons.
I agree. No thanks on the 38 year old star who has said he would sign to the Pens for league minimum.

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02-15-2010, 11:22 AM
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I agree. No thanks on the 38 year old star who has said he would sign to the Pens for league minimum.
That 38 year old star that you are speaking of is better than every single forward on our team beside Marian Gaborik.

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02-15-2010, 12:02 PM
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If he plays in the NHL again you can bet it'll be for PITT to try and get another Cup with them.

It won't be to try to make the play-offs with a roster full of holes in NY.

I'm with those who say send Redden to Hartford, go after Kovalchuk... if that can't/doesn't happen then keep ALL of our assets... hope they turn out and go for it in 3 years.

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02-15-2010, 12:30 PM
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That 38 year old star that you are speaking of is better than every single forward on our team beside Marian Gaborik.
I disagree. Maybe he's a better scorer than most, but he'd be serving the same role Prospal is serving pretty much. He scored 25 goals his last season with us, do you really think a few years later being out of the NHL he's going to do much better?

Overall, give me Dubinsky, Callahan, Prospal, even Anisimov over Jagr. I'd probably take Jokinen over Jagr at this point too.

What's the point of signing Jagr to a one year deal? I really doubt we're winning the cup next year, with or without Jagr. And 1 year $4mil??? For a 25 goal scorer? Why don't we just try and get Kotalik back...

All signing Jagr does is keeps us from moving forward.

Letting Jagr walk was the right move at the time. The wrong move was thinking we could replace him with Gomez and Drury.

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02-15-2010, 12:46 PM
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I just want to see Jagr get that 1600th point... preferably on the Rangers and not Pittsburgh.
because jagr can be a good, semi-productive, placeholder until something comes from within... if he'd be willing to accept that role.

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02-15-2010, 01:06 PM
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Don't forget he was still over 35 at the time, and it would have been a risk. One that he even acknowledged before going to Russia.
Still, in hindsight, even a dead cap hit due to Jagr retiring wouldn't bee much worse than Redden on the team...

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02-15-2010, 01:16 PM
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I love Jagr. I still wear his jerseys to the Garden for every game but I wouldn't bring him back unless its 1.5 - 2.5 per year (2 years max)

Would love to see him hang em up as a Ranger.

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02-15-2010, 01:25 PM
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I'd love Jagr back, but he is 38 years old. I mean we brought back Messier when he was 39 and that didn't work out all that great.

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02-15-2010, 02:31 PM
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the Jagr ship has long since passed...let it go.

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02-15-2010, 03:02 PM
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I don't think Jagr would work here. But I would love to see him back, even with the Penguins. He's my favorite player of all time, and I would like to see him win a final Cup. The Pens, with him, and unfortunately, are primed to do so.

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02-15-2010, 04:52 PM
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I would see Jagr and Torts colliding like two freight trains head on.

I just don't see Jagr putting up with Torts yelling at him after a lazy shift or bad penalty or something of the like.

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02-15-2010, 04:55 PM
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Jagr would still score 20 goals in the league..more then everyone on our team pretty much besides Gabby.

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02-15-2010, 05:01 PM
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The Jagr ship has sailed folks. I wish he had never left, but he did and he's not coming back.

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02-15-2010, 05:11 PM
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I don't think Jagr would work here. But I would love to see him back, even with the Penguins. He's my favorite player of all time, and I would like to see him win a final Cup. The Pens, with him, and unfortunately, are primed to do so.
He's going to be over 39 by the time the next playoffs roll around. I don't think he would do anything for that Pittsburgh team. The wingers on that team aren't great, but they work with Crosby and Malkin because they're all fast and go to the net. Jagr doesn't really play like that anymore and probably won't fit in well

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02-15-2010, 05:24 PM
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I didnt read all the replies, and I do ADMIT that the thought entered my mind and my pulse went up with the thought of JJ on the Rangers again even if on a 3rd line. BUT then I thought, "hmm that would mean a roster spot blocked from one of the younger kids trying to come up. You know, the one's we say are cant miss and NHL ready now".

Does that mean there IS A SPOT for a young kid right now? I dunno. I dunno anything anymore after watching the last decade in a dizzy fashion. But Grachev could make the move. No?!

If there is no one in Hartford ready to make the move, than, Yeah a 2 year contract is worth a shot. Nothing longer though. He IS 38. But I dont want him as a Captain. I never did like him wearing the C and I SURE AS CRAP dont like Drury wearing it either. Now ask me who I think the C should belong to? I dont know. I am not in the locker room. Couldnt tell ya. But I know Drury wouldnt be MY pick. Neither would Jagr.

So recap, if he doesnt take a roster spot from some deserving kid in the minors, than I am all up for a 2 year contract at 3-3.5 million a year.

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02-15-2010, 06:23 PM
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He's going to be over 39 by the time the next playoffs roll around. I don't think he would do anything for that Pittsburgh team. The wingers on that team aren't great, but they work with Crosby and Malkin because they're all fast and go to the net. Jagr doesn't really play like that anymore and probably won't fit in well
I see what you're saying, but having Jagr would only help them. Considering they don't even need Jagr.

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02-15-2010, 06:53 PM
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For those who haven't had a chance to see Jags since he left the NHL, you're going to be surprised to see how much gas he has left in the tank. I always laugh when I see Jagr and Lazy in the same sentence. I'm not saying the guy hasn't taken a few shifts off here and there but there weren't any players who worked harder on off ice training than Jagr did....and today is no different. Lately, Jagr has been practicing with a weighted vest to get his speed up.

After folks see how well he is going to play in the Olympics, expect to see more 'Jagr back to the NHL' rumors. The people who are saying Jagr is too old yada yada yada are in for a wake up call.

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02-15-2010, 07:27 PM
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I would love to have him back on the team

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02-15-2010, 07:43 PM
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For those wondering about his stats this season:

49 games 22 goals 20 assists 42 points 48PIMS

as compared to last season in the KHL:

55 games 25 goals 28 assists 53 points 62PIMS

The question is how cheap is he really willing to sign for, on a one year deal? The Rangers are VERY thin on the right wing, with just Gabby, Callahan, and Lisin as true RW'ers and only Weise and Kventon in the system (Off the top of my head, at least). If he came relatively cheap i'd take him as the 2nd line RW who can plot 20-25 goals. Better then any options this team has right now at that position. That said, I don't see him coming back to the NHL.

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02-15-2010, 07:49 PM
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There were a lot of things I didn't like about Jagr. I hated that he simply couldn't look at a camera in an interview after a loss. Hated that he would mumble answers in defeat. Hated that in what I truly thought was going to be a special year he showed up for camp 29lbs overweight with a set of chimp-**** and a beer gut! Hated that he was simply put...Far better than just about anyone he played against on a nightly basis, but yet didn't get the job done on a nightly basis for nothing more than what I thought was lack of effort. After time I just thought that wearing the burden of the "C" on his chest was just too much for him.

At the same time in a limited role, where Jagr doesn't need to carry the team on his back I think he could be a very effective player. Granted that is w/out seeing him play for the past two seasons. Truthfully I don't think it works for the Rangers but for a team like the Pens, or maybe Chi-Town...a 39yr old Jagr just might work.

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02-15-2010, 08:12 PM
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A little pipedream of mine and would only work if Patrick Sharp can play center (Only going off what TSN says):

- Re-sign Prospal 1 yr $2.0 million
- Re-sign Jokinen 2 yr $4.0 million
- Re-sign Staal 3 yr $3.0 million
- Re-sign Girardi 2 yr $2.0 million
- Re-sign Prust 2 yr $600K
- Re-sign Shelley 1 yr $725K
- Dump Redden in the Minors
- Brashear is gone (traded/contract voided/etc)
- Waive Voros
- Sign Volchenkov 4 yr $4.0 million
- Sign Jagr 1 yr $1.0 million (If he's really willing to sign for close to league min.)
- Trade Anisimov + for Patrick Sharp

Line-up would look like:

Prospal - Sharp - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Jokinen - Jagr
Avery - Drury - Callahan
Prust - Boyle - Shelley

Staal - Girardi
Volchenkov - MDZ
Roszival - Gilroy

Lundqvist
Johnson

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / * Olli Jokinen ($4.000m)
* Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / * Vaclav Prospal ($2.000m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / * Jaromir Jagr ($1.000m)
* Jody Shelley ($0.725m) / * Brandon Prust ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / * Anton Volchenkov ($4.000m)
* Marc Staal ($3.000m) / * Daniel Girardi ($2.000m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Chad Johnson ($0.850m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 20; PAYROLL: $57.950m; CAP ROOM: $-0.767m

That roster has the Rangers over the cap by $767K, but the cap might go up close to $2.0 million. If it does, it works out, if not, then no lol.

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02-15-2010, 08:34 PM
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Still, in hindsight, even a dead cap hit due to Jagr retiring wouldn't bee much worse than Redden on the team...
I hate this mentality. A lesser mistake is still a mistake.

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02-15-2010, 08:36 PM
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Jagr would still score 20 goals in the league..more then everyone on our team pretty much besides Gabby.
And Prospal. And Callahan. And Dubinsky. And Jokinen.

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A little pipedream of mine and would only work if Patrick Sharp can play center (Only going off what TSN says):

- Re-sign Prospal 1 yr $2.0 million
- Re-sign Jokinen 2 yr $4.0 million
- Re-sign Staal 3 yr $3.0 million
- Re-sign Girardi 2 yr $2.0 million
- Re-sign Prust 2 yr $600K
- Re-sign Shelley 1 yr $725K
- Dump Redden in the Minors
- Brashear is gone (traded/contract voided/etc)
- Waive Voros
- Sign Volchenkov 4 yr $4.0 million
- Sign Jagr 1 yr $1.0 million (If he's really willing to sign for close to league min.)
- Trade Anisimov + for Patrick Sharp

Line-up would look like:

Prospal - Sharp - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Jokinen - Jagr
Avery - Drury - Callahan
Prust - Boyle - Shelley

Staal - Girardi
Volchenkov - MDZ
Roszival - Gilroy

Lundqvist
Johnson

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / * Olli Jokinen ($4.000m)
* Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / * Vaclav Prospal ($2.000m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / * Jaromir Jagr ($1.000m)
* Jody Shelley ($0.725m) / * Brandon Prust ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michal Rozsival ($5.000m) / * Anton Volchenkov ($4.000m)
* Marc Staal ($3.000m) / * Daniel Girardi ($2.000m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Chad Johnson ($0.850m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 20; PAYROLL: $57.950m; CAP ROOM: $-0.767m

That roster has the Rangers over the cap by $767K, but the cap might go up close to $2.0 million. If it does, it works out, if not, then no lol.
I don't hate it at all when you break it down like that.

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