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02-15-2010, 11:07 AM
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Petr Hrasko, that was the crazy Slovaks name. 4th/5th rder maybe?
I want Hrasko. Ideally my draft would be... Hall, Beaukeboom, Hrasko.

Get us some nastyness on defense.

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02-15-2010, 11:48 AM
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While I agree we need to find ourselves some building blocks on the blueline and in goal, I'm not convinced that trading into the top 10 is the way to do it. You very rarely see teams move a top 10 pick that doesn't involve them trading down a few spots. Anyone expecting the Oilers to have 2 top 5-10 picks in this upcoming draft are going to be very disappointed.

As for our rebuild we have a ton of good young players for which to rebuild around at the forward position. However on the blueline it's not so promising. Laddy Smid in my mind is the only guy we have that can be considered a central component of our rebuilding process. Adam Larsson next year would be fantastic. We really have no blue chip defensive prospects and in goal we are an absolute mess. I think it's certainly time to address the defensive needs of this hockey team but when you're picking as high in the draft as we will be come June, you take the best player as opposed to drafting for organizational need.

Tambellini boned this team in goal for the next 3 years and the only way we get out of that mess is if Khabibulin retires. In that case, we absolutely need to make a deal for a younger goaltender and there's always a few available.

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02-15-2010, 01:19 PM
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While I agree we need to find ourselves some building blocks on the blueline and in goal, I'm not convinced that trading into the top 10 is the way to do it. You very rarely see teams move a top 10 pick that doesn't involve them trading down a few spots. Anyone expecting the Oilers to have 2 top 5-10 picks in this upcoming draft are going to be very disappointed.

As for our rebuild we have a ton of good young players for which to rebuild around at the forward position. However on the blueline it's not so promising. Laddy Smid in my mind is the only guy we have that can be considered a central component of our rebuilding process. Adam Larsson next year would be fantastic. We really have no blue chip defensive prospects and in goal we are an absolute mess. I think it's certainly time to address the defensive needs of this hockey team but when you're picking as high in the draft as we will be come June, you take the best player as opposed to drafting for organizational need.

Tambellini boned this team in goal for the next 3 years and the only way we get out of that mess is if Khabibulin retires. In that case, we absolutely need to make a deal for a younger goaltender and there's always a few available.
If Khabibulin retires his contract still counts against our cap. He was earning his money when he was playing. He is still a good goalie worth the cap hit when healthy. Petry is suppose to be a pretty good player. I would say Petry and Smid will both be top 4 dmen. We do have other dmen but I dont see any at this point being top 4. That is why I would want one of the 3 this year as they are all suppose to be top 2 dmen.

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02-15-2010, 01:34 PM
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Stephen Johns
Height 6.03 -- Weight 220
Johns is another one of the impressive defenders from the US Under 18 Team this year. He has very good all around skills and could be the most NHL ready defenseman out of the group of NTDP blue-liners this season. Johns plays a solid defensive game and uses his size to aid his physical game, but his offensive potential is probably pretty limited at the next level. Johns recently committed to the University of Notre Dame, but it will be interesting to see if he actually lands there as his OHL rights are held by the Windsor Spitfires, who are no strangers to plucking NCAA talent. If Johns does wind up in South Bend, he should be a very effective defenseman as a true freshman as he continues to work on his overall game.


Dylan McIlrath
Height 6.05 -- Weight 215
It’s often rare to find a defenseman who plays with such a nasty edge to their game, but also can play a solid all around game as well. Dylan McIlrath is a perfect example of this, and his value could come at a premium as a result. Regarded as one of the most physical players in the WHL and arguably the top fighter in the league, even as a 17 year old, McIlrath is also a very steady defenseman who logs heavy minutes with the Warriors. With Travis Hamonic being dealt to the Brandon Wheat Kings, McIlrath will have even more of an opportunity to play in all situations heading down the stretch




One of which should be available with the 31st pick.
It does sound like there are quite a few shut down dmen available in this draft. Hoping that if we trade players that are not needed we can get a few 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks and draft a few dmen.With the following players hopefully getting traded we will get some late draft picks:
Comrie
Pisani
Moreau
Staios
O Sullivan
Nilsson

If we could get all of these guys traded for draft picks we could go hard at stocking our dmen and hopefully find a few gems.

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i have a feeling .. oilking pysyk will be around in 2nd round.. i dont see a team selectinng him in the 1st round..
His recent injury is probably going to hurt his draft position, but I still don't see him dropping out of the first round.

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His recent injury is probably going to hurt his draft position, but I still don't see him dropping out of the first round.
That's why we need to start spreading vicious rumors about his character, while he needs to start acting like a ****** and start talking about wanting to play in Europe. Hehe..

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His recent injury is probably going to hurt his draft position, but I still don't see him dropping out of the first round.
Ya, there is pretty well zero chance he drops out of the first round.

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That's why we need to start spreading vicious rumors about his character, while he needs to start acting like a ****** and start talking about wanting to play in Europe. Hehe..
Start rumours? I can't believe you haven't heard about the time that he was caught drunk driving in south Edmonton. Apparently he got special treatment from the cops though so it was all on the down low.

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I got a chance to see Gudbranson play live early in the season (pre-injury) and he was pretty good, very calm in the d-zone, made the smart, patient play... unfortunately I'm no scout so that's about the extent of details I can give.

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I got a chance to see Gudbranson play live early in the season (pre-injury) and he was pretty good, very calm in the d-zone, made the smart, patient play... unfortunately I'm no scout so that's about the extent of details I can give.
The scouts aren't perfect in their evaluations either so just by watching him you've got a heads up on a lot of people. Trying to figure out how a certain 18 yr old Dman will play when he's in the NHL at age 20-25 has to be a very hit and miss proposition going by all the 1st and 2nd round D-men that have been drafted in the last 10 years... only to have never made an impact in the NHL.

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Petr Hrasko, that was the crazy Slovaks name. 4th/5th rder maybe?


I remember that dude. It'll be interesting to see where he gets drafted since at the time of the world juniors I couldn't find any info on him.

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Just as an aside... the obvious best time to go after 1st round draft picks of other teams is years in advance when they aren't as imminently valuable. When you are in the actual draft year and the optics are so much better teams overvalue their draft picks too much and you end up giving up equal or more than they are worth.

Teams final standings results forecast into the future are essentially random... which means you don't know where a team will finish 1, 2 or 3 seasons down the road so anytime you can grab a future 1st round pick from ANY team you have a potential lottery pick and a shot at a #1 overall pick which is like gold in this league.

Case in point the TO picks to Boston. In addition to their own picks they could essentially get 2 top 3 picks this year and next (and with some great luck they could actually get a #1 pick each year with lottery wins.)

Trying to get a high round draft pick this year from a lottery team is going to take a superb prospect or a solid veteran as all those teams have a shot at drafting a potential franchise player with their pick if they retain it. The risk/reward tradeoff is skewed too much to the teams holding the picks and against those trying to acquire them.

We need to be more like Boston... not a team trying to buy picks away from teams overcharging for them.

If we are going to shed veterans like Souray/Penner/Visnovsky/Hemsky and any other assets we feel are tradable for 1st round picks of other clubs they should be for 2011/2012/2013 picks so that we constantly have a stream of potentially solid draft picks which can be used to either draft more solid prospects or to trade away to teams that overvalue them and will overpay for them.

We've got to sell assets when we are being paid fair value or are overpaid for them (in the case of draft picks) and become constant acquirers of undervalued assets from others (future 1st and 2nd round draft picks).

How about 2014 1st rders and a shot at Patrik Koys??? If you haven't heard the name, read this.


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How about 2014 1st rders and a shot at Patrik Koys??? If you haven't heard the name, read this.

http://http://www.dobberhockey.com/i...bugg&Itemid=97
Sorry, screwed that up. http://www.dobberhockey.com/index.ph...bugg&Itemid=97

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I rather not draft an Oilkings prospect I could just imagine the politics around the guy. He would be given every chance to prove that the Oil Kings can develop excellent players and that the Oilers know how to draft.

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Fowler would be the guy most worth a move up, but the cost is just too high, and thats IF teams are looking to move out of a top 5 pick. In recent years, what moves suggest the likelihood of that?

I hope Tambo gets off his ass and does something of significance that gains us an additional 1st rder (I, along with a number of Sabres fans like the idea of Vis for Stafford + pick - 1st or 2nd rder), but if an additional 1st is not acquired, I think at 31 we still get a shot at 1 of Tinordi, Mcilrath, Merrill or Petrovic. My personal fave of the bunch would be Mcilrath, but I'd be happy with any of them.

I would also like it if (in later rounds) the Oil went after that crazy Slovak kid from the WJC who McGuire kept comparing to Kasparaitus. Hrushka or something? The dude levelled Eberle, along with a dozen other people in the tourney. IMO it would serve the Oil much better to get tougher on the back end by taking BPA than to package multiple picks and players (think our 2nd this year and 1st next year + maybe Cogs for a shot at 3-5. Even thats debatable).

I support this!

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We've already got three young D-Men playing for the team in Gilbert, Grebs and Smid. Petry and Chorney could be moving up soon permanently and Plante is only 2 years away likely.

With that in mind I don't think we need to make a move for a top d prospect. Draft them at our positions and then give them time to develop in the farm.

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