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02-16-2010, 06:38 PM
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Turco or Theodore? You realize both of these guys are in their mid-30's and on their last contract, right?
Last contract? They're both free agents at the end of the year. Dallas just acquired Lehtonen to be their goalie of the future and they're likely to move Turco before the deadline.

Washington will hang on to Theodore because you can't have too many goalies when you're making a cup run, but between Neuvirth and Varlamov, there won't be any room to re-sign him in July 1.

Theodore is 33 and Turco is 34. I'm not sure what "they're on their last contract" means, exactly. They aren't under contract after this season, which is a perfect situation to help us continue to ease Pavelec's transition. We sign them for a couple years and then we're done with them.

I'd like to go after a Carey Price in the offseason, but I guess we need to decide if Pavelec is our "goalie of the future" before we do that.

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I'd like to go after a Carey Price in the offseason,
I would be so happy if we did that, Carey Price is one of my favorite goalies for some reason, and ive always liked the Habs.
but that probably wont happen i think Pavs is a stay.. =/

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Jason Spezza.

That may give you a clue as to how untouchable Kubina is at this point.

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And why, exactly, is that a facepalm-worthy comment? He has been a valuable part of our defense all season long. If we're going to make a playoff push, we need all the help we can get. This means not moving Kubina at all - for picks, prospects, or otherwise.

If Kubina is moved at all, we should get a good player in return.

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And why, exactly, is that a facepalm-worthy comment? He has been a valuable part of our defense all season long. If we're going to make a playoff push, we need all the help we can get. This means not moving Kubina at all - for picks, prospects, or otherwise.

If Kubina is moved at all, we should get a good player in return.
If your team was that serous about making a playoff push then they wouldn't have moved Kovy. They did and what they got for him was a lackluster return. (being nice) You expect to get something even remotely close to a star for a rental when Kovy was a perfect example how rentals aren't worth much.

You guys actually expect a team thinking about a Stanley Cup to give up a core player off their roster for a rental. You have to be kidding.

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If your team was that serous about making a playoff push then they wouldn't have moved Kovy. They did and what they got for him was a lackluster return. (being nice) You expect to get something even remotely close to a star for a rental when Kovy was a perfect example how rentals aren't worth much.

You guys actually expect a team thinking about a Stanley Cup to give up a core player off their roster for a rental. You have to be kidding.
The Thrashers are unlikely to give up their best defenseman right now, unless there is an overpayment. Asking for Spezza might be hyperbole, but that exaggeration is used to make a point.

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Theodore is 33 and Turco is 34. I'm not sure what "they're on their last contract" means, exactly.
They'll be 34 and 35 before the season starts.

They're both long in the tooth. They're old and their best years are behind them. They'll be looking for 3+ year contracts because they both know this is going to be their last chance to make any money. Nobody signs 38 year-old Gs in the NHL. Do you want an average chump like Theodore rolling around in the organization sucking up $4-5M a year for 3 or 4 years?

Neither one of these guys are Roy or Brodeur. Neither one are going to keep their value into their late 30's. It's going to be dead money that will have to be bought out.

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If your team was that serous about making a playoff push then they wouldn't have moved Kovy. They did and what they got for him was a lackluster return. (being nice) You expect to get something even remotely close to a star for a rental when Kovy was a perfect example how rentals aren't worth much.

You guys actually expect a team thinking about a Stanley Cup to give up a core player off their roster for a rental. You have to be kidding.
The team moved Kovy to not lose a generational talent for nothing.

With that said, the team has played much better since Kovy was traded. And uh don't know if you noticed but Bergfors has more goals than Kovy since the trade and stats are not to far off.

They are not going to move a defenseman off their top pairing for anything less than something that blows them away.

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If your team was that serous about making a playoff push then they wouldn't have moved Kovy. They did and what they got for him was a lackluster return. (being nice) You expect to get something even remotely close to a star for a rental when Kovy was a perfect example how rentals aren't worth much.

You guys actually expect a team thinking about a Stanley Cup to give up a core player off their roster for a rental. You have to be kidding.
You amuse me greatly.

You see, Kovalchuk wanted max cap. You know, $11.3m a year. For something like 12 years. Let that sink in for a moment. I've got time. I can wait.




Okay, has it sunk in yet? I hope so. With that kind of salary and cap hit, Atlanta would be unable to afford to keep any of our young players when their contracts come up. How could we afford to give players like Little, Bogosian, and Kane a pay raise when Kovalchuk is sucking up ~20% of payroll? Therefore, Kovalchuk had to be moved. Atlanta didn't have a choice. We could have either hung on to him and got nothing, or trade him and get a fairly decent return.

We did the latter. The roster players we received, Bergfors and Oduya, have stepped right in. The team is also playing better without Kovalchuk, and has really been forced to play like a team instead of like accessories to Kovalchuk.

To top it off, you talk as if the Senators are the only team "thinking about the Stanley Cup." Atlanta has the same sort of aspirations, and they could possibly pull it off, if things go right. What you're asking for is a top defenseman for a wing and a prayer. A top defenseman who has been a big part of this team this year.

If you were Ottawa's GM, you'd get hung up on.

This thread asked the value of Kubina going to Ottawa. The value of Kubina to this organization has been stated. If you want Kubina bad enough, then let's make a deal. If you feel the price is too high, then keep walking. We will be more than happy to hang on to him.

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If your team was that serous about making a playoff push then they wouldn't have moved Kovy. They did and what they got for him was a lackluster return. (being nice) You expect to get something even remotely close to a star for a rental when Kovy was a perfect example how rentals aren't worth much.

You guys actually expect a team thinking about a Stanley Cup to give up a core player off their roster for a rental. You have to be kidding.
see above me for the reason why we traded kovalchuk. not like we were winning much with him anyway.
how the hell was kovy's return bad? it got us one of the top scoring rookies in the nhl, a very good defenseman, a good prospect, and a 1st rounder.

people look at bergfors and see he is still a rookie at 21 while they're used to all these 18 and 19 year olds and assume he sucks, it's not normal for guys to come in at 18 or 19. most of the time it doesn't work that way.

people see oduya has not many points and assume he sucks. there's way, WAY more to being a defenseman than points.

people see cormier made one very bad decision and assume he's a talentless goon that can do nothing but headhunt. this is not the case.

the only reason anyone thinks the return for kovalchuk was bad is because of that overinflated view of rentals so many people have here. that was a surprisingly good return for kovalchuk and you HAVE TO BE KIDDING if you think it wasn't

as for trading kubina for spezza, no, we do not think the qttawa senators are going to give us jason spezza for pavel kubina. that was what is called a hyperbole which is a figure of speech in this case used to indicate that something is so far out of the realm of possibility that it is ridiculous to even suggest it. obviously nobody is going to trade spezza for kubina. if you believe we were serious about that you HAVE TO BE KIDDING

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If your team was that serous about making a playoff push then they wouldn't have moved Kovy. They did and what they got for him was a lackluster return. (being nice) You expect to get something even remotely close to a star for a rental when Kovy was a perfect example how rentals aren't worth much.

You guys actually expect a team thinking about a Stanley Cup to give up a core player off their roster for a rental. You have to be kidding.
You thought he was serious? (it's called an exaggeration)

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