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02-18-2010, 01:33 PM
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Went to Hartford

PA Parenteau is gone

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Parenteau scored 34 goals and 81 points in 2007-08 and 29 goals and 78 points last season for Hartford. This is his seventh AHL season, he is earning $500,000 and is an unrestricted free agent. Playing regularly, I think he can help some teams---because he doesn't seem to be in the Rangers long-term plans.

When asked if he felt that he was afforded a fair opportunity in the organization, the Quebec native's answer was quick: "Iím not gonna answer that one; I just want to finish the season healthy."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...g-on-1.1768308

Bobby Sanguinetti resumed skating last week-high ankle sprain

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"Iím just trying and make sure I come back and have a good finish to the season. Hopefully theyíre looking at me," said Sanguinetti, who is signed for $765,000 next season.

"Thatís my main focus, just a matter of trying to win a spot. Itís tough not being up there, it's everybodyís goal. You hate to think about it, but maybe I would have been there if I hadn't been hurt." (Corey Potter played Feb. 10 against Nashville and on the 14th with Michael Del Zotto out.)
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...nish-1.1768286


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The transition for countryman Artem Anisimov seemed easier (16-27-43 in 74 G in 2007-08 in Hartford) and when asked if he believed that he was going through a period of adjustment, Grachev said: ďI believe soÖI hope so. Iím just trying to not think about it, just trying to get some experience, every night, every game. (Head coach) Kenny (Gernander) has been working with me on defense, heís trying to get my attention most on that part of the game.Ē
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...ress-1.1768276

Grachev played on the wing at Brampton but Zipay keeps talking about him playing at center.

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lol screw defense, we need him to score goals!

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I would seriously have a problem if they stunt this young mans offensive growth by having him focus to much on defence.

It's nice and all, but he wasnt drafted to be a defensive winger.

Be mindful of your own zone, but put do what you do best and that is score goals.

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I think Grachev will be a nice NHL player.

I also think some of the speculation that he'd be a 40-40 guy and a first liner was wishful thinking, primarily driven by his inflated numbers in juniors playing with a Duchene.

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PAP desperately needs a league between the AHL and the NHL.

He should get a shot somewhere, no reason he doesn't deserve it.

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I think Grachev will be a nice NHL player.

I also think some of the speculation that he'd be a 40-40 guy and a first liner was wishful thinking, primarily driven by his inflated numbers in juniors playing with a Duchene.
I agree that people set some unrealistic expectations, but I can't say I feel his numbers were inflated by Duchene. Grachev was simply a man playing against boys. Now, the playing field has been leveled and he's learning to adjust.

I imagine he'll end up being a solid 50-60 point player if he develops well. 25G/30A in his prime. I wouldn't be too upset with that for a 3rd round pick. Anything more than that is icing on the cake, IMO. I think he'd be a nice fit on Gaborik's opposite wing though.

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PAP desperately needs a league between the AHL and the NHL.
He's got one. It's called "Europe" (inc. Russia). He's been close to going over in each of the past two summers, but the Rangers have convinced him to stay with the promise of opportunity (two summers ago) and money (one-way contract this summer).

I'll miss him in Hartford, but for the sake of his own career, I hope he goes over next season.

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I would seriously have a problem if they stunt this young mans offensive growth by having him focus to much on defence.

It's nice and all, but he wasnt drafted to be a defensive winger.

Be mindful of your own zone, but put do what you do best and that is score goals.
This is an issue every Russian player goes through when they come over (even Anisimov, who's defensive game was far more developed than the average 19-year old Russian's). In order to succeed in the NHL -- unless you've got superstar skills on par with Kovalchuk, Semin, etc. (which Grachev does not) -- you need to learn to play at both ends of the ice. Gernander is not stunting Grachev's development, he's just not as good/ready as you thought he'd be.

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He's got one. It's called "Europe" (inc. Russia). He's been close to going over in each of the past two summers, but the Rangers have convinced him to stay with the promise of opportunity (two summers ago) and money (one-way contract this summer).

I'll miss him in Hartford, but for the sake of his own career, I hope he goes over next season.
Yeah I just don't get it though. This team, for most of the season, has been desperately trying to get goal scoring. Yet they have two guys in the AHL (Locke and PAP) just absolutely tearing it up, and neither of them were given a real shot to excel at the NHL level.

Yeah PAP got 14 games, but he was mostly used with other offensively inept players and averaged 12:51 on ice.

But it is what it is...I guess.

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Yeah I just don't get it though. This team, for most of the season, has been desperately trying to get goal scoring. Yet they have two guys in the AHL (Locke and PAP) just absolutely tearing it up, and neither of them were given a real shot to excel at the NHL level.

Yeah PAP got 14 games, but he was mostly used with other offensively inept players and averaged 12:51 on ice.

But it is what it is...I guess.
he got those minutes for a reason. he's a tweener.

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whos gonna be in hartford next year? seems a lot of the good players will be leaving and there are a bunch of ****** players on the team.

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whos gonna be in hartford next year? seems a lot of the good players will be leaving and there are a bunch of ****** players on the team.

im trying to understand when it became important for Hartford to win games....

i always thought it was more important that they develop their players....hearing Grachev is working on his D makes me VERY happy because that is exactly what he needs to be working on to round his game out better.

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im trying to understand when it became important for Hartford to win games....

i always thought it was more important that they develop their players....hearing Grachev is working on his D makes me VERY happy because that is exactly what he needs to be working on to round his game out better.
It ain't easy to develop when you're giving up 6 or 7 goals a night and the entire team is discouraged and frustrated. Sure you can work on individual aspects of the game, but you need the guys like PAP and Locke to mentor, teach and help the team win games. Those are my thoughts.

I was surprised PAP even came back this year. Wouldn't be shocked to see him head elsewhere, whether it be overseas or an NHL club where there would be an opportunity for him.

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im trying to understand when it became important for Hartford to win games....

i always thought it was more important that they develop their players....
Really? I thought it was a junk yard where you dump your contract mistakes?

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I've haven't seen Lisin do anything I didn't seen PAP do at the NHL level. I continue to find it odd that the organization will take a flyer on almost anyone else's "tweener projects", but won't even take a real look at the one's they've developed.

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It ain't easy to develop when you're giving up 6 or 7 goals a night and the entire team is discouraged and frustrated. Sure you can work on individual aspects of the game, but you need the guys like PAP and Locke to mentor, teach and help the team win games. Those are my thoughts.

I was surprised PAP even came back this year. Wouldn't be shocked to see him head elsewhere, whether it be overseas or an NHL club where there would be an opportunity for him.
I agree, everyone has more fun when you win. I think frustration from losses can really hurt a persons work ethic among other things.

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Really? I thought it was a junk yard where you dump your contract mistakes?

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I've haven't seen Lisin do anything I didn't seen PAP do at the NHL level. I continue to find it odd that the organization will take a flyer on almost anyone else's "tweener projects", but won't even take a real look at the one's they've developed.

I'm with you, I liked PA's game. I thought he was better on the boards & in the netural zone & he has offensice skills.

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Yeah I just don't get it though. This team, for most of the season, has been desperately trying to get goal scoring. Yet they have two guys in the AHL (Locke and PAP) just absolutely tearing it up, and neither of them were given a real shot to excel at the NHL level.

Yeah PAP got 14 games, but he was mostly used with other offensively inept players and averaged 12:51 on ice.

But it is what it is...I guess.
Drury's been playing with offensively inept players, too. The fact is, the only real offensive talent we have on the team is Gabby, Prospal, and now Jokinen, along with Del Zotto. Dubinsky isn't consistent enough to be in that group. No one is playing with them except themselves with each other.

That said, I do think that PAP should have gotten more of a shot, mainly because I agree totally with the following comment:

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I've haven't seen Lisin do anything I didn't seen PAP do at the NHL level. I continue to find it odd that the organization will take a flyer on almost anyone else's "tweener projects", but won't even take a real look at the one's they've developed.
Lisin will not be an NHLer for long. And maybe PAP won't ever be one, but why give Lisin a shot and not him?

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PAP desperately needs a league between the AHL and the NHL.

He should get a shot somewhere, no reason he doesn't deserve it.
Doesn't that team play on Long Island?

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whos gonna be in hartford next year?
Hopefully Derek Stepan and Ryan McDonagh.

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im trying to understand when it became important for Hartford to win games....

i always thought it was more important that they develop their players....hearing Grachev is working on his D makes me VERY happy because that is exactly what he needs to be working on to round his game out better.
Learning is great, learning while winning and scoring, is even better.

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I've haven't seen Lisin do anything I didn't seen PAP do at the NHL level. I continue to find it odd that the organization will take a flyer on almost anyone else's "tweener projects", but won't even take a real look at the one's they've developed.
I think it's maybe because you know what you've got is a tweener because you've seen enough of him and someone else's tweener you haven't studied enough to be sure he's a tweener. Alexandre Giroux comes to mind. I always thought he should have gotten a shot in NY, but never really did. Meanwhile the organization always gave Marcel Hossa a shot. Both haven't worked out.

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I think it's maybe because you know what you've got is a tweener because you've seen enough of him and someone else's tweener you haven't studied enough to be sure he's a tweener. Alexandre Giroux comes to mind. I always thought he should have gotten a shot in NY, but never really did. Meanwhile the organization always gave Marcel Hossa a shot. Both haven't worked out.
I think that's a good analysis.

Giroux is a guy I thought was deserving as well. Add Immonen, Baranka, maybe Lampman. Honestly, if they got a 60 game look and it worked out as well as it did for Hossa, can't say I'd be disappointed, even if it didn't really "work out" in the grand scheme of things. It would just be good to see more of the prospects pushed all the way though the development ladder, and I think it would be good for the morale of the people in it as well.

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Lisin will not be an NHLer for long. And maybe PAP won't ever be one, but why give Lisin a shot and not him?[/QUOTE]

Cause Lisin is a former 1st rounder and dealt for another 1st rounder in Korpikoski. Not to mention Lisin is fast and young. Lisin will be moved at the deadline for help. He is an NHLer and unfortunatly Parenteau is a career minor leaguer

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^^^ Lisin is a former 2nd rounder.

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whos gonna be in hartford next year? seems a lot of the good players will be leaving and there are a bunch of ****** players on the team.
Tomas Kundratek and Sam Klassen will be in Hartford next season.

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Really? I thought it was a junk yard where you dump your contract mistakes?

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I've haven't seen Lisin do anything I didn't seen PAP do at the NHL level. I continue to find it odd that the organization will take a flyer on almost anyone else's "tweener projects", but won't even take a real look at the one's they've developed.
Well if you put it that way, I can wholeheartedly agree. I don't see anything Lisin can do that PAP cant.

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so most likely the D core will include Potter, McD, Kundratek, Sauer, and Klassen?

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