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02-19-2010, 08:52 PM
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Well, no, the Rangers would only have to pay half the salary if he was put on re-entry waivers to come BACK up to the Rangers and someone claimed him.

If he's bough out, whatever years he have left is multipled by 2 and the money is divided evenly throughout those years (4 years left on the deal). If he's bought after the season, he'd be owed 8 years worth of money.
Here's his buyout cap hit numbers

WADE REDDEN BUYOUT FROM CAPGEEK.COM
2010-2011: $1,916,667
2011-2012: $1,916,667
2012-2013: $3,416,667
2013-2014: $3,416,667
2014-2015: $1,916,667
2015-2016: $1,916,667
2016-2017: $1,916,667
2017-2018: $1,916,667

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02-19-2010, 10:43 PM
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I have no excitement, none at all, about getting Souray. I've seen him play a number of times, and just don't see an improvement.
I'm no Rozsival booster, in fact I have always voiced my opinion that I would like him off this team. Actually, I still do (because I am always afraid he will start playing like crap again, seen it a zillion times), but I would rather have the Rozsival of the last 10 games than the Souray I have seen, no contest at all.

Souray does not have enough offensive prowess to make up for some pretty poor defensive play.

Cogliano? I don't know. Fast, maybe he could be good. But I don't get how this risk is worth taking.

So overall, a big fat no to both of them. Yikes, this trade rumour better be bogus.

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02-20-2010, 12:55 AM
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Here's his buyout cap hit numbers

WADE REDDEN BUYOUT FROM CAPGEEK.COM
2010-2011: $1,916,667
2011-2012: $1,916,667
2012-2013: $3,416,667
2013-2014: $3,416,667
2014-2015: $1,916,667
2015-2016: $1,916,667
2016-2017: $1,916,667
2017-2018: $1,916,667
and you think the Oil will trade for this

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02-20-2010, 02:11 AM
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I'll take Souray if it means moving Redden.

That's the only way I would take Souray. Rangers would need to part with more to get Oilers to bite. But then again it's Sather we are talking about and he does quite well in trades.

Maybe they want to take both Girardi and Redden of us for Souray.

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02-20-2010, 02:56 AM
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This deal would be the worst possible deal for this franchise at this time. Souray? Why, the Rangers have Del Zotto to run the PP. Cogliano? Why, Dubinsky is better already and is a more complete player. Just terrible all around.

Rozsival isn't even that bad, defensively he's better than Souray. Offensively, no, but come on -- offense from the defense is not a significant issue.

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02-20-2010, 04:55 AM
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Hopefully there's nothing to this; we've no need for Souray, and even if it would involve the moving of Redden's contract - which it won't - I've no interest in clearing that albatross for another.

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02-20-2010, 06:43 AM
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Personally I don't like the idea. Dubinsky IMO is far and away the best player in the deal--meaning in the long term we're not winning anything other than maybe a salary dump.

On Souray--he's not a great skater and he's not great in his own defensive end. He would help the pwp because of his shot which is in Al MacInnis territory. He is also tough, a very good fighter and has a mean streak--which are elements missing from our defense. He's had some injuries lately.

I wouldn't do it. To me if we want to get rid of Redden--we send him to Hartford. IMO Sather wants to get rid of Redden (maybe even Rozsival if he can't do that) and also wants his contract on someone else's books--wants to get rid of his mistake--buying it out or burying it in Hartford makes him look pretty bad to his boss and he's not going to be movable when he's in the minors.

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02-20-2010, 09:44 AM
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This deal would be the worst possible deal for this franchise at this time. Souray? Why, the Rangers have Del Zotto to run the PP. Cogliano? Why, Dubinsky is better already and is a more complete player. Just terrible all around.

Rozsival isn't even that bad, defensively he's better than Souray. Offensively, no, but come on -- offense from the defense is not a significant issue.
This sums of my feelings 100%. This trade does not help us at all. If it's Redden for Souray, maybe. But Dubinsky for Cogs? Please.

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02-20-2010, 10:39 AM
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This sums of my feelings 100%. This trade does not help us at all. If it's Redden for Souray, maybe. But Dubinsky for Cogs? Please.
So you would'nt do Rozy for Souray straight up. Ads 400K to the payroll. Is it not better going with Souray and DZ on the PP?

I would be fine with a deal that does'nt add much to the cap and moves Rozy out for Souray. Yea it does'nt save on the cap but realistically is Rozy moveable as a salary dump?. I don't know the answer. Kotalik was so maybe

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02-20-2010, 10:42 AM
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So you would'nt do Rozy for Souray straight up. Ads 400K to the payroll. Is it not better going with Souray and DZ on the PP?

I would be fine with a deal that does'nt add much to the cap and moves Rozy out for Souray. Yea it does'nt save on the cap but realistically is Rozy moveable as a salary dump?. I don't know the answer. Kotalik was so maybe
i like Souray a lot, unlike most ppl here.

my only problem here is that Rozsival has been our best defenseman, and Souray won't be ready till like the final week in March, so youre talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 games he will miss...give or take like 2 game. 8-12 games of a defense of Staal, Redden, Girardi, MDZ, Gilroy and Potter (or Heikkinen) isn't nearly as good as one with Rozsival in it...and the whole purpose of this trade is to make us ready for the playoffs...but we would likely be out of the playoffs if we do that trade since those 8-12 games are absolutely brutal opponents wise.

If souray was healthy I would do the deal.

Then again, I don't see why Edmonton would do the deal just to save a few hundred K...i was under the impression that they wanted to rebuild....exchanging 1 bad contract for another doesnt really help them all that much.

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i like Souray a lot, unlike most ppl here.

my only problem here is that Rozsival has been our best defenseman, and Souray won't be ready till like the final week in March, so youre talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 games he will miss...give or take like 2 game. 8-12 games of a defense of Staal, Redden, Girardi, MDZ, Gilroy and Potter (or Heikkinen) isn't nearly as good as one with Rozsival in it...and the whole purpose of this trade is to make us ready for the playoffs...but we would likely be out of the playoffs if we do that trade since those 8-12 games are absolutely brutal opponents wise.

If souray was healthy I would do the deal.

Then again, I don't see why Edmonton would do the deal just to save a few hundred K...i was under the impression that they wanted to rebuild....exchanging 1 bad contract for another doesnt really help them all that much.
good pts. No way the Rangers take on Souray's contract without moving Rozy though and we all know Redden is not going anywhere unless the teams exchange Horcoff for Redden which may be good for both players. Thing is I think Horcoff has another yr at 5.5.

I really am hoping Sather can come up with a Rozy , Lisin for a UFA Dman and Winger

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Rozsival has been our best d-man?

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I wonder if Chicago would deal Hossa for Girardi in the offseason given their cap situation.

Yeah, Rozsival has been our best dman the last 2 weeks, really kind of throwback.

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i say.. W.Redden, B.Dubinsky and V.Prospal Edmonton S.Souray, A.Gogliano and D. Penner NYR

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I wonder if Chicago would deal Hossa for Girardi in the offseason given their cap situation.

Yeah, Rozsival has been our best dman the last 2 weeks, really kind of throwback.
Maybe Sather can pull some of that trade magic, eh?

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i say.. W.Redden, B.Dubinsky and V.Prospal Edmonton S.Souray, A.Gogliano and D. Penner NYR
1. I *think* too much salary coming back. (Not good at math).
2. Bad deal. I assassinate Sather at midnight if this happens.

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Maybe Sather can pull some of that trade magic, eh?
I honestly dont think its out of the question. Hossa was a UFA signing, meaning, that team payed more for him than anyone else was willing to. Trading him for an RFA dman to replace Barker while saving about 3 mil seems like a good move.

From the Rangers end, that would take a serious bite out of our scoring problems for only about 3 mil more a year.

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I honestly dont think its out of the question. Hossa was a UFA signing, meaning, that team payed more for him than anyone else was willing to. Trading him for an RFA dman to replace Barker while saving about 3 mil seems like a good move.

From the Rangers end, that would take a serious bite out of our scoring problems for only about 3 mil more a year.
I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hossa. Maybe we could have a "Marian and Marian line".

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Here's his buyout cap hit numbers

WADE REDDEN BUYOUT FROM CAPGEEK.COM
2010-2011: $1,916,667
2011-2012: $1,916,667
2012-2013: $3,416,667
2013-2014: $3,416,667
2014-2015: $1,916,667
2015-2016: $1,916,667
2016-2017: $1,916,667
2017-2018: $1,916,667
That makes my eyes bleed.

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I honestly dont think its out of the question. Hossa was a UFA signing, meaning, that team payed more for him than anyone else was willing to. Trading him for an RFA dman to replace Barker while saving about 3 mil seems like a good move.

From the Rangers end, that would take a serious bite out of our scoring problems for only about 3 mil more a year.
They can replace Barker from within no problem. Chicago would NEVER move Hossa for Girardi. Pipe dream at best.

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So you would'nt do Rozy for Souray straight up. Ads 400K to the payroll. Is it not better going with Souray and DZ on the PP?

I would be fine with a deal that does'nt add much to the cap and moves Rozy out for Souray. Yea it does'nt save on the cap but realistically is Rozy moveable as a salary dump?. I don't know the answer. Kotalik was so maybe
Rozy is moveable in the offseason. Souray would be an upgrade offensively, but a downgrade defensively, and he has a slightly worse contract. It would be in our best interest to replace Rozy with someone cheaper so we can use that money elsewhere.

The only deal I would do is Redden for Souray, but there's no way the oilers would do that.

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Rozsival has been our best d-man?
best? no. 2nd best? without a shadow of a doubt. and by a HUGE margin.

Rozsival is MUCH close to Staal than whoever you would put 3rd on this team. anyone looking at his game fairly the past 1-2 months would see that.

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They can replace Barker from within no problem. Chicago would NEVER move Hossa for Girardi. Pipe dream at best.
what he said.

its like us trading Gaborik for Oduya....except Hossas cap hit is something absurdly low like 5 mil a season.

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I wonder if Chicago would deal Hossa for Girardi in the offseason given their cap situation.

Yeah, Rozsival has been our best dman the last 2 weeks, really kind of throwback.
Is that even possible? They just signed him to that monster contract.

We need another Center anyway.

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Rozsival has been our best d-man?
The majority of the board wants Redden, Rozsival, and Drury off this roster. 18.5M in cap space invested on guys that simply don't produce enough. But when they're playing well, we'll acknowledge it.

Redden had a good start to the season, and most of the people here at least made an effort to point it out.

Captain invisible has been a rock on our PK. Especially of late. I criticize him all the time, but I respect the effort and play he's been giving us lately.

Rozsival's been a stud. He's playing with a purpose. The way he's been playing in our zone has been flat out awesome. He's playing with the same intensity he had during our playoff series against the Sabres a few years back. I think he's outplaying Staal right now, and Staal is one of my favorite's.

Take off the hater googles dude.

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