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02-22-2010, 12:47 PM
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I know a guy that played for St. Moritz (i think) in some Liga or some such, he was pro and needed an agent. He said he was in a league right under National A and B, so i would assume that is the third highest.
yeah that's the 3rd highest. Weird.

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yeah that's the 3rd highest. Weird.
He made more there then he made in the E

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He made more there then he made in the E
E as in ECHL?

It must have been a really good team then. The swiss german teams are usually better.

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E as in ECHL?

It must have been a really good team then. The swiss german teams are usually better.
no idea how good the team was or anything, we was just chasing the cash.

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What league do you play for and who negotiates your contracts?
I play in the lowest league here in Germany and I neogate my contrats since we don't need contracts.

I just wanted to share my information. I know some players who played in the 3rd German league (the team ran out of money) and no one had an agent. I know there are some journeyman in these leagues (mostly Canadians) who finance their lives with hockey and these players have agents. I don't know the situation in Switzerland but I assume it's comparable with Germany. He (the original poster) is a rookie heading into his first full season with the pros and I've never heared of a rookie in having an agent in these minor leagues. I think his teammates could make fun of him because he's like arrogant having an agent. But I repeat it: I don't know the exact situation down there. I know the structure of German minor leagues and I just wanted to add some information.

But where did I say that I play (pro) hockey? I just shared the information I received from former pro hockey players and I've always said that my information originate from hockey players and are not caused of my own experience. But I guess that you know everything about European minors, especially about their economic activities...., don't you?

I'm sorry for my bad English

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I play in the lowest league here in Germany and I neogate my contrats since we don't need contracts.
Im confused about what you mean here. Why do you not need contracts?

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Obviously talk to veterans in the league to see what you should be looking for. I think a gym membership would be very reasonable since they really don't cost that much. My suggestion though would be for at least the first season or two, to take what you can get just so you can get your name out there in the rest of the league. I used to work with a guy that was drafted very late by Colorado (like 9th round) and was offered a contract. His agent told him that he could earn more and to hold out. He was never offered another contract again. I don't mean to tell you to go in for free but just take what you can get until you become more known so you have a bit of job security and have a good chance finding a new team if your current team releases you.
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So Colorado drafted this guy you worked with in the 9th round? and offered him a contract?

Wouldnt every other team get pissed that Colorado got to draw two more rounds then everyone else?

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Im confused about what you mean here. Why do you not need contracts?
Because we play just for fun...

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Because we play just for fun...
So you dont get paid?

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So you dont get paid?
Did I ever said that I get paid?

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Did I ever said that I get paid?
Then why the hell would you have contracts? why are you comparing a beer league to minor pro? of course none of you would need agents/managers.

and this is why the OP shouldnt get advice about this kinda stuff from an online forum.

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Then why the hell would you have contracts? why are you comparing a beer league to minor pro? and this is why the OP shouldnt get advice about this kinda stuff from an online forum.
I didn't compare my beer league to the minor pros. I just answered Gino 14's question! I really don't know how you interpreted my post but I guess you got it wrong.

As I already said, I just wanted to share my information about the 3rd league in Germany which should be approx. at the same level as the Swiss 3rd league. I know some players who played there and I wanted to tell the OP how things work here in Germany. I just compared the 3rd league here in Germany to the Swiss 3rd league because they are basically even, especially the economic activities are nearly equal.

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Atleast take your contract to a lawyer and have him look at after.


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Thanks for help guys.

I'm off to the meeting in 10 minutes, will let you guys know how it goes.

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I didn't compare my beer league to the minor pros. I just answered Gino 14's question! I really don't know how you interpreted my post but I guess you got it wrong.

As I already said, I just wanted to share my information about the 3rd league in Germany which should be approx. at the same level as the Swiss 3rd league. I know some players who played there and I wanted to tell the OP how things work here in Germany. I just compared the 3rd league here in Germany to the Swiss 3rd league because they are basically even, especially the economic activities are nearly equal.
In other words, you have no first hand knowledge of contracts or negotiating them, you just heard something from a friend of a friend and you slept at a Holiday Inn Express so now you contract negotiating 101?

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In other words, you have no first hand knowledge of contracts or negotiating them, you just heard something from a friend of a friend and you slept at a Holiday Inn Express so now you contract negotiating 101?
Wow, you and I have been agreeing on a few things lately, weird

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Wow, you and I have been agreeing on a few things lately, weird
Yeah, I noticed that but was shying away from saying anything........

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Thanks for help guys.

I'm off to the meeting in 10 minutes, will let you guys know how it goes.
So I guess the contract negotiating didn't go well?

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All joking aside, as someone who had to work out contracts before (in IT, not in sports) the one thing i learned is that if the other party is really interested in bringing you on board, chances are, they already have an idea in their head as to what they want to give you. I dont know how this would go over in the sports world but i would just ask what are they looking to provide you and go from there.

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So Colorado drafted this guy you worked with in the 9th round? and offered him a contract?

Wouldnt every other team get pissed that Colorado got to draw two more rounds then everyone else?
Everyother team must of been pissed when Toronto drafted Kaberle in the 8th round, Montreal Drafted Halak in the 9th round

Before the NHL lockout the drafts went to 9 rounds

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Everyother team must of been pissed when Toronto drafted Kaberle in the 8th round, Montreal Drafted Halak in the 9th round

Before the NHL lockout the drafts went to 9 rounds
It was a joke, i guess i should have added a or

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I'm soon gonna be 20 years old and it means that I'm no longer gonna be a junior player.

I currently play in the 3rd league in my country (which is the highest amateur level before the pros) and although we're not pros (not even half pro), players have to sign contracts.

Now this is new to me, I've never had a contract before and I certainly don't know what I'm entitled to or not. I didn't ask my teammates what it involves because it really seems a little private IMO. I don't even know what my teammates got this year, because they do get a little something , that, I know, but I haven't got a clue of how much we're talking about here. I've heard rumors that some guys can get as much as 10'000 swiss francs per year. I also heard a guy talking about the fact that he got some money for all the travelling he does to go to practices and games. I also think that some players get money for their equipment.
Ok, here is what a good friend of mine who's a VP of the CHL told me. If you want to make it to the next level without an agent, here's what you will have to do...

a) He supes up his resume… see attached (1 page)
b) Get a video clip(s) of him
c) send it to all the coaches in the CHL, ECHL and IHL.
d) Tell him to follow up with calls to these teams.

Here is the biggy
e) Have him do his homework on the teams he wants. Here is why… a team gets resumes all the time. They are looking for surefire winners. (it is called being lazy). They don’t want to take a chance. If he makes it hard for them to say no – he has a chance. Look at where the team is having shortfalls… then say to the coach “I can help you with …”

f) get a list of references that these coaches can call – the more NHL or high profile the better.


Now, if you send me a PM, I will send you an example of a supped up resume.
Hope this helps!

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Ok, here is what a good friend of mine who's a VP of the CHL told me. If you want to make it to the next level without an agent, here's what you will have to do...

a) He supes up his resume… see attached (1 page)
b) Get a video clip(s) of him
c) send it to all the coaches in the CHL, ECHL and IHL.
d) Tell him to follow up with calls to these teams.

Here is the biggy
e) Have him do his homework on the teams he wants. Here is why… a team gets resumes all the time. They are looking for surefire winners. (it is called being lazy). They don’t want to take a chance. If he makes it hard for them to say no – he has a chance. Look at where the team is having shortfalls… then say to the coach “I can help you with …”

f) get a list of references that these coaches can call – the more NHL or high profile the better.


Now, if you send me a PM, I will send you an example of a supped up resume.
Hope this helps!

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