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02-25-2010, 08:16 PM
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Jamie Lundmark

"A first-rounder going into New York is obviously a lot of pressure," he said. "I was young, but also, our team was old. We had a lot of veteran, all-star players who needed to play minutes. Really, I don't think I learned a lot in the first couple years of my career, and I think that kind of set me back."

He should have made the team the one year he earned it out of preseason.

Oh well I doubt he "finds his game" in Toronto but ya never know, read the rest here.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=311495

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From what i saw he played pretty well in calgary.

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not jamies fault when hes a 3rd liner drafted in the 1st round. same with manny

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i was going to post this article. One line really stood out to me.

"A first-rounder going into New York is obviously a lot of pressure," he said. "I was young, but also, our team was old. We had a lot of veteran, all-star players who needed to play minutes. Really, I don't think I learned a lot in the first couple years of my career, and I think that kind of set me back."

Is it just me or does he just sound really immature? He has been given so many opportunities to succeed in a variety of playing styles and teammates and has never been anything more than just average.

Instead he blames his minutes early in his career on his failure in New York? I understand he was bouncing around, but this is quite common in the NHL. Players are recalled for a day and don't play and then go back to the AHL, its part of growing experience. He was a bust, that simple. He is 29 and has played only 280 games. Marc Staal is 23 and has played in 224. That alone should say something about how coaches view him.

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From what i saw he played pretty well in calgary.
Well enough to get waived.

Both our drafting and development absolutely sucked in the first half of the previous decade and we're paying for it now.

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i was going to post this article. One line really stood out to me.

"A first-rounder going into New York is obviously a lot of pressure," he said. "I was young, but also, our team was old. We had a lot of veteran, all-star players who needed to play minutes. Really, I don't think I learned a lot in the first couple years of my career, and I think that kind of set me back."

Is it just me or does he just sound really immature? He has been given so many opportunities to succeed in a variety of playing styles and teammates and has never been anything more than just average.

Instead he blames his minutes early in his career on his failure in New York? I understand he was bouncing around, but this is quite common in the NHL. Players are recalled for a day and don't play and then go back to the AHL, its part of growing experience. He was a bust, that simple. He is 29 and has played only 280 games. Marc Staal is 23 and has played in 224. That alone should say something about how coaches view him.
How many players develop between the ages of 25-29? 17-24 such an important time period for growth in a hockey player. The Rangers
completely botched his development and by the time he was able to get out of here his the large majority development period was gone.

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Well enough to get waived.

Both our drafting and development absolutely sucked in the first half of the previous decade and we're paying for it now.
To be fair their GM is a sutter
The same guy who traded jokinen and prust for kotes/higgins.Who also traded away phaneuf basically because his brother had a hissy fit with him.

Just saying'

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i was going to post this article. One line really stood out to me.

"A first-rounder going into New York is obviously a lot of pressure," he said. "I was young, but also, our team was old. We had a lot of veteran, all-star players who needed to play minutes. Really, I don't think I learned a lot in the first couple years of my career, and I think that kind of set me back."

Is it just me or does he just sound really immature? He has been given so many opportunities to succeed in a variety of playing styles and teammates and has never been anything more than just average.

Instead he blames his minutes early in his career on his failure in New York? I understand he was bouncing around, but this is quite common in the NHL. Players are recalled for a day and don't play and then go back to the AHL, its part of growing experience. He was a bust, that simple. He is 29 and has played only 280 games. Marc Staal is 23 and has played in 224. That alone should say something about how coaches view him.
He has a legitimate point.

The Rangers were a mess when he played here. There was a revolving door of horrible coaches (Trottier and Sather) and the locker room consisted of a bunch of past their prime vets and some young guys who were in over their heads.

I don't think he's placing all the blame on the Rangers for the way his career turned out, I think he's just saying that the position he was put in when he played for the Rangers wasn't ideal for his development.

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To be fair their GM is a sutter
The same guy who traded jokinen and prust for kotes/higgins.Who also traded away phaneuf basically because his brother had a hissy fit with him.

Just saying something that couldnt be more wrong'
Fixed it for ya. While I don't understand the Jokinen Trade, the Phaneuf trade had to happen. He's declined, and he's overpaid. Calgary needed to drop one of their heavier contracts. Everyone else has NTC's

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From what i saw he played pretty well in calgary.
I don't understand why the dropped him, he played great. If he gets top 6 minutes in Toronto, I can see him playing great beside Kessel. He tends to pick up his game when he gets the higher roles.

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How many players develop between the ages of 25-29? 17-24 such an important time period for growth in a hockey player. The Rangers
completely botched his development and by the time he was able to get out of here his the large majority development period was gone.
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Well enough to get waived.

Both our drafting and development absolutely sucked in the first half of the previous decade and we're paying for it now.
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Is it just me or does he just sound really immature? He has been given so many opportunities to succeed in a variety of playing styles and teammates and has never been anything more than just average.

Instead he blames his minutes early in his career on his failure in New York? I understand he was bouncing around, but this is quite common in the NHL. Players are recalled for a day and don't play and then go back to the AHL, its part of growing experience. He was a bust, that simple. He is 29 and has played only 280 games. Marc Staal is 23 and has played in 224. That alone should say something about how coaches view him.
I'll give the easiest answer: it was a combo of all 3.

The Rangers scouting, drafting & development just before and during the 7-year itch was hideous.

Lundmark, like Malhotra, was dicked around a little at such a young age for sure.

But anyone who has seen Lundmark at the NHL level for any game knows for sure that, other than possibly passing, he has no discernable skill for a top line player...or for that matter a regular NHL'er. And since he has always viewed himself as a goal-scorer rather than passer, even that skill was lost by the wayside.

One thing I'll add: Lundmark was a pretty selfish player in his limited time as a Ranger also. Selfish as in an indifferent attitude towards playing defense in addition to trying to do too much with the puck.

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He has a legitimate point.

The Rangers were a mess when he played here. There was a revolving door of horrible coaches (Trottier and Sather) and the locker room consisted of a bunch of past their prime vets and some young guys who were in over their heads.

I don't think he's placing all the blame on the Rangers for the way his career turned out, I think he's just saying that the position he was put in when he played for the Rangers wasn't ideal for his development.
Which is what...that because the Rangers were a mess when he played here the team killed his enormous skills and stunted his development and as a result he busted out of the league 10 years later? People just hate to take responsibility for their own failures.

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Jamie was always an immature player. Even so far as to be considered a brat at times.

He never "got it" while he was here. He was given time on the top lines and never did squat with the time.

He wasn't ruined here at all. He ruined himself by not applying himself correctly.

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I'll give the easiest answer: it was a combo of all 3.

The Rangers scouting, drafting & development just before and during the 7-year itch was hideous.

Lundmark, like Malhotra, was dicked around a little at such a young age for sure.

But anyone who has seen Lundmark at the NHL level for any game knows for sure that, other than possibly passing, he has no discernable skill for a top line player...or for that matter a regular NHL'er. And since he has always viewed himself as a goal-scorer rather than passer, even that skill was lost by the wayside.

One thing I'll add: Lundmark was a pretty selfish player in his limited time as a Ranger also. Selfish as in an indifferent attitude towards playing defense in addition to trying to do too much with the puck.
Of course. I'm not trying to say that Lundmark was a superstar in the making but the Rangers screwed him over. Ultimately, if Lundmark had what it took and was hungry enough he would have overcome it all. But at the same time it's not as if the Rangers handled it well and he simply didn't hold his end of the deal. The way the Rangers handled him was far from reasonable.

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Which is what...that because the Rangers were a mess when he played here the team killed his enormous skills and stunted his development and as a result he busted out of the league 10 years later? People just hate to take responsibility for their own failures.
In hindsight, there's no denying that he was a bad draft pick, but when have we ever heard a busted draft pick say "it's my fault, I suck, I never should have been drafted that high and I'll always be a marginal NHLer at best"?

As others have been saying, the Rangers not only drafted poorly in the late '90's, but their development of prospects was bad as well. And being on a dysfunctional team certainly did not help the situation. I mean, Bobby Holik was telling the media "I believe, fundamentally, we are the worst team in the NHL." I'm sure that was great for the morale of the young players on that team.

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I'll never foret the night I saw Lundmark walk out the Garden hurry past the Autograph seekers & get into a waiting limo that had from what I saw at least 4 smoking hot girls in it. Nice life, but hey that's NY baby.

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Ahhh....Jamie Lundmark.

The player most scouts at the time of his draft were comparing him to Jeremy Roenick/Steve Yzerman.

He didn't pan out for several reasons, but considering the Rangers inability to develope a cold let alone a decent prospect, I kinda lean towards the Rangers not taking the proper time to allow this kid the time needed to get it.

He spent 3 seasons in NY, 2 of which he had no business in the pros (02-03 and 03-04) He as much as Manny were both rushed to the pros and it cost them both.

He could have been a different player had he been given the proper time and teaching to develope properly.

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Fixed it for ya. While I don't understand the Jokinen Trade, the Phaneuf trade had to happen. He's declined, and he's overpaid. Calgary needed to drop one of their heavier contracts. Everyone else has NTC's
I thought calgary was going to move Sarich?

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i was going to post this article. One line really stood out to me.

"A first-rounder going into New York is obviously a lot of pressure," he said. "I was young, but also, our team was old. We had a lot of veteran, all-star players who needed to play minutes. Really, I don't think I learned a lot in the first couple years of my career, and I think that kind of set me back."

Is it just me or does he just sound really immature? He has been given so many opportunities to succeed in a variety of playing styles and teammates and has never been anything more than just average.

Instead he blames his minutes early in his career on his failure in New York? I understand he was bouncing around, but this is quite common in the NHL. Players are recalled for a day and don't play and then go back to the AHL, its part of growing experience. He was a bust, that simple. He is 29 and has played only 280 games. Marc Staal is 23 and has played in 224. That alone should say something about how coaches view him.
I remember how frustrating it was that the Rangers took so long to give him a shot. He may have had a lot of chances, but I can't really disagree with his quotes about his time here.

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Ahhh....Jamie Lundmark.

The player most scouts at the time of his draft were comparing him to Jeremy Roenick/Steve Yzerman.

He didn't pan out for several reasons, but considering the Rangers inability to develope a cold let alone a decent prospect, I kinda lean towards the Rangers not taking the proper time to allow this kid the time needed to get it.

He spent 3 seasons in NY, 2 of which he had no business in the pros (02-03 and 03-04) He as much as Manny were both rushed to the pros and it cost them both.

He could have been a different player had he been given the proper time and teaching to develope properly.
The losing culture and only giving them 3rd/4th line minutes hurt a lot more than rushing them, IMO.

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The Rangers' coaching back then was terrible. Muckler. Low. Trottier. Sather. And Hartford was stacked with AHL all-stars. A lot of these kids just didn't get the proper coaching and development time that could have helped them succeed.

I put some blame on Jamie too, but equally as much on the Rangers. The environment and atmosphere around those teams from 98-04 were terrible for young players.

When you're surrounded by veteran players who were packing it in and only playing for a paycheck when they're supposed to be setting an example for the young guys, you're going to pick up bad habits.

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We've been rushing players for as long as I can remember, especially defenseman lately.

I hope Grachev doesn't seen NHL ice for another 2 yrs.

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We've been rushing players for as long as I can remember, especially defenseman lately.

I hope Grachev doesn't seen NHL ice for another 2 yrs.
I don't think it's "rushing" them, if they're ready to play. Who's on the roster right now that you think isn't ready? Del Zotto MAYBE.

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We've been rushing players for as long as I can remember, especially defenseman lately.

I hope Grachev doesn't seen NHL ice for another 2 yrs.
It goes both ways. Is it rushing if they are ready? Is MDZ being rushed? Staal spent all 4 years in juniors too but zero in HFD. Sanguinetti is in his 2nd year in HFD. Sauer in his 3rd. Girardi only spent 1.5 seasons in HFD. I don't really consider any of these situations rushing. Malhotra was definitely rushed.

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