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02-13-2010, 10:28 AM
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Are they better with the puck? They have more turnovers.
You can look at TOI and takeaways. I would say Staal is without consulting. Del Zotto is another story. But then again, he's a 19 year old rookie.

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02-13-2010, 10:31 AM
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You can look at TOI and takeaways. I would say Staal is without consulting. Del Zotto is another story. But then again, he's a 19 year old rookie.
Oh, upside is a totally different story, but if the stats say that Girardi has less giveaways than both Staal and MDZ, than I would think he isn't as bad as many make him out to be. The guy isn't 30, he is 25. He is playing above where he should be, how many would be complaining if he was a 2nd pairing guy on this team? He hits and plays pretty sound defensively as well as the fact that he normally makes good outlet passes and gets pucks on net when he shoots. Patience.

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02-13-2010, 10:32 AM
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Oh, upside is a totally different story, but if the stats say that Girardi has less giveaways than both Staal and MDZ, than I would think he isn't as bad as many make him out to be. The guy isn't 30, he is 25. He is playing above where he should be, how many would be complaining if he was a 2nd pairing guy on this team? He hits and plays pretty sound defensively as well as the fact that he normally makes good outlet passes and gets pucks on net when he shoots. Patience.
He'd be a great 3rd pairing guy, maybe ok second pairing. Good news is is that Rozsival starts to play like he has in the past he can move up to the top pairing with Staal and take some pressure off Dan.

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Are they better with the puck? They have more turnovers.
Yes. They actually skate with the puck. Girardi dishes it off the second he hears a par of skates heading his way.

And Staal was told to explore his offense....the beginning of the season he had quite a few turnovers trying to do things with it.

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02-13-2010, 10:33 AM
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I was going to note but forgot to that Girardi plays a more stay at home game and therefore the number is unacceptable

But I wouldnt cry to see the numbers of those two decrease
In due time, patience.

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Are they better with the puck? They have more turnovers.
Yes, like a million times better actually. Look at their age and how much more often they handle the puck than Girardi.

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02-13-2010, 10:39 AM
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Oh, upside is a totally different story, but if the stats say that Girardi has less giveaways than both Staal and MDZ, than I would think he isn't as bad as many make him out to be. The guy isn't 30, he is 25. He is playing above where he should be, how many would be complaining if he was a 2nd pairing guy on this team? He hits and plays pretty sound defensively as well as the fact that he normally makes good outlet passes and gets pucks on net when he shoots. Patience.
This is a contradictory post. You allude to the fact that Staal and Del Zotto have upside, and Girardi does not (or does not have as much). Yet you make a case for Girardi and then preach patience. For what, if we've established that the upside is not there?

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02-13-2010, 10:52 AM
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I've been saying for a LONG time that Girardi was seriously overrated, that he was a good third pairing guy, could at times be a serviceable second pairing guy, and at time look like an AHL type.

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02-13-2010, 11:11 AM
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I'd be a litttle weary in bringing in Volchenkov. Look how Jay McKee turned out for St. Louis. McKee was a similar player in Buffalo, shot block specialist good defensive defenseman. St. Louis signed him for a lot and he got hurt all the time from years of damage. I'm just saying buyer beware with Volchenkov.

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02-13-2010, 11:26 AM
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I'd be a litttle weary in bringing in Volchenkov. Look how Jay McKee turned out for St. Louis. McKee was a similar player in Buffalo, shot block specialist good defensive defenseman. St. Louis signed him for a lot and he got hurt all the time from years of damage. I'm just saying buyer beware with Volchenkov.
No more UFA's!!! We've got Sauer, Sanguinetti, Heikkinen in HFD. McDonagh, Valentenko, and Kundratek in juniors. Phase out the ugly ones on the roster (Rozsival, Redden, Gilroy, and Girardi). And if you're not comfortable icing a youthful roster move those parts to bring some talented, young, non-paycheck seeking defenders in. For instance, the wild were able to get Cam Barker for Leddy and Johnsson.

I would love to pull off a deal like Girardi and Gilroy/Sanguinetti for Ballard.


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Ottawas interested in bringing in a Dman.

What about Girardi for Carkner/Campoli and Petersson?


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02-13-2010, 11:33 AM
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Dany is bad at times... but honestly IF Redden/Rozi weren't here he'd be fine as a bottom guy.

The issue is he's out there against Crybaby and he can't be on the ice with guys like that. Terrible giveaway on the first goal.

I'd keep him if he doesn't want a big raise but otherwise I can see letting him go. Like to get SOMETHING for him tho.

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This is a contradictory post. You allude to the fact that Staal and Del Zotto have upside, and Girardi does not (or does not have as much). Yet you make a case for Girardi and then preach patience. For what, if we've established that the upside is not there?
Where did I say Girardi doesn't have upside? I stated that MDZ and Stall have MORE upside. There is a difference.

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02-13-2010, 09:14 PM
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Yes, like a million times better actually. Look at their age and how much more often they handle the puck than Girardi.
Age has nothing to do with it. I understand MDZ handles the puck more often, but Girardi plays a LOT more minutes, and a lot more important minutes, wouldn't it make sense he has more turnovers?

I am no stating Girardi is a great defenseman, all I am saying is the guy isnt as bad as many here make him out to be. He needs to play above his level due to the lack of another 1st pairing defenseman. Not his fault.

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02-13-2010, 10:30 PM
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I think Girardi is the perfect 5th or 6th. In other words, no more than 14-16 mins a game.

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02-14-2010, 12:16 AM
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idk about you guys but i think he is playing great, he assisted beautifuly on both of crosby's goals the other night. his passing game was on.

now if we could only get him to pass that way to guys in a blue jersey, were set.

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02-14-2010, 02:25 AM
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I think Girardi is the perfect 5th or 6th. In other words, no more than 14-16 mins a game.
Well said.

He shouldn't play against other teams top lines either, unless he's PKing.

Second, and Third pairing dman are not exceptional. You're not going to have a great player at every position.

Girardi's a very serviceable defensemen. As long as he's paid accordingly, I have no problem keeping him on this team.

I'd still consider moving him, for the right player though.

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02-14-2010, 04:59 PM
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I think Girardi is a 4th on a decent team... Guy plays pretty strong, has some passing ability out of the back end. He's a 4th in every sense imo.

On a great team he's a 3rd pairing, but in the salary cap world, that won't likely happen.

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02-14-2010, 07:54 PM
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I think Girardi is a 4th on a decent team... Guy plays pretty strong, has some passing ability out of the back end. He's a 4th in every sense imo.

On a great team he's a 3rd pairing, but in the salary cap world, that won't likely happen.
In what way does he play strong? I really wanna know, because maybe I have been blind for 2 year and didn't know it. He always get beaten in puck battles and never does anything about guys in front of the net.

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02-14-2010, 08:08 PM
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if you trade girardi you would get something back im done with him after he stood and watched carcillo beat up gaborik if you arent gonna stick up for the best player on your team then you should be wearing a different sweater

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02-14-2010, 10:06 PM
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girardi has been terrible all season. he's softer than redden. there, i said it.

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if you trade girardi you would get something back im done with him after he stood and watched carcillo beat up gaborik if you arent gonna stick up for the best player on your team then you should be wearing a different sweater
I agree. But not only that. He also likes watching other crashing into Lundqvist. For a defensman, it is not acceptable. We don't need anyone softie.

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i'd love to see girardi and gilroy gone.

Great idea- drop the rookie defenseman that won the hobey baker award and also was dominating in the AHL.

Kid needs more than a couple games and 12 mins of ice time to develop.

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