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Dallas puts Alex Auld on waivers. Update: Now on re-entry waivers

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02-25-2010, 12:32 PM
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02-25-2010, 01:25 PM
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Columbus wasn't looking for a top defensive prospect, and Dallas wasn't looking for a 2nd line center, so your blind comparison of two trades doesn't apply. For more, read below. Also, what's a "possible maybe"?
This is so wrong on so many levels. Next you are going to tell me that at the NHL Draft, you should draft for need.

Even if an NHL GM had it in his mind that he “needs” a defenceman, he is not going to turn down a one-dollar forward if the alternative is a 25-cent defenceman. His next trade will not be his last one. He can build his asset-base by acquiring the better asset, and wait for another opportunity to land the defenceman he wants.

If you would like to believe that Atlanta, a team that has missed the playoffs every year except once and has trouble attracting free-agents (unless they massively over-pay for mediocre ones) and keeps losing their best players (Heatley, Savard, Hossa, Kovalchuk, even Keith Tkachuk) would have turned down productive, two-way NHL forwards in their mid-20’s who can play multiple positions and are signed to long-term contracts at reasonable dollars, and opted instead for an AHL defenceman with offensive ability but an adventure in his own zone, when the team is already filled with offensive defencemen who have trouble keeping the puck out of their net AND a 4th-round pick, when the franchise has gone 0 for the 4th-round in it’s history.........well, not even Don Waddell would do that.

Waddell wasn’t targeting anything other than the best deal he could get, forward, defenceman, goaltender, or futures. There’s nothing more to it than that.

And Columbus HAS been looking for defencemen for a few years now. They over-paid for UFA Commodore. They traded Zherdev and Fritsche for two NY Ranger d-men, Tyutin and Backman. They acquired Anton Stralman for the PP even though he is a weak even-strength player. They recently acquired Milan Jurcina from Washington.

But while Columbus was adding all of those defencemen, they were also quite willing to make transactions at forward if they thought it would improve the team. Hence the trades for Raffi Torres, RJ Umberger, and Vermette, the signing of UFA Huselius.

It is foolish to think that NHL GMs, while trying to address an area of weakness on their roster, will ignore the opportunity to strengthen other areas of their hockey team when the opportunity presents itself.

Think of Vermette as one-dollar. Vishnevski as 25-cents. The 4th-round pick as 10-cents. Regardless of your team’s perceived needs, Waddell or any other NHL GM would take the one dollar of talent rather than the 35 cents of talent every day of the week.


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02-26-2010, 11:26 AM
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put on re-entry - McKenzie

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02-26-2010, 11:40 AM
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This is a no-brainer, pick him up Slats.

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02-26-2010, 11:42 AM
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Somebody wants him on the cheap.

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02-26-2010, 11:44 AM
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This is a no-brainer, pick him up Slats.
For freaking sure, saves money and a veteran is in.

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02-26-2010, 11:47 AM
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seriously if he doesn't get picked up on re-entry then I won't know what to think about you slats, this is practically a gift

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02-26-2010, 11:53 AM
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He was one of Ottawa's fewest bright spots last year.

He's a great backup who can fill in the #1 job.

I hope he comes back to Ottawa.

Leclaire is unreliable. A sneeze will break his nose.

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02-26-2010, 12:01 PM
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There is no way he gets past the Rangers.

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02-26-2010, 12:19 PM
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Well, he's on re-entry so if nobody claims him there's obviously a problem.

I'm gonna say the Rangers or the Sharks claim him.

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02-26-2010, 12:33 PM
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Come on Sutter! Its like 200K against the cap!

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02-26-2010, 01:04 PM
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This is so wrong on so many levels. Next you are going to tell me that at the NHL Draft, you should draft for need.

Even if an NHL GM had it in his mind that he ďneedsĒ a defenceman, he is not going to turn down a one-dollar forward if the alternative is a 25-cent defenceman. His next trade will not be his last one. He can build his asset-base by acquiring the better asset, and wait for another opportunity to land the defenceman he wants.

If you would like to believe that Atlanta, a team that has missed the playoffs every year except once and has trouble attracting free-agents (unless they massively over-pay for mediocre ones) and keeps losing their best players (Heatley, Savard, Hossa, Kovalchuk, even Keith Tkachuk) would have turned down productive, two-way NHL forwards in their mid-20ís who can play multiple positions and are signed to long-term contracts at reasonable dollars, and opted instead for an AHL defenceman with offensive ability but an adventure in his own zone, when the team is already filled with offensive defencemen who have trouble keeping the puck out of their net AND a 4th-round pick, when the franchise has gone 0 for the 4th-round in itís history.........well, not even Don Waddell would do that.

Waddell wasnít targeting anything other than the best deal he could get, forward, defenceman, goaltender, or futures. Thereís nothing more to it than that.

And Columbus HAS been looking for defencemen for a few years now. They over-paid for UFA Commodore. They traded Zherdev and Fritsche for two NY Ranger d-men, Tyutin and Backman. They acquired Anton Stralman for the PP even though he is a weak even-strength player. They recently acquired Milan Jurcina from Washington.

But while Columbus was adding all of those defencemen, they were also quite willing to make transactions at forward if they thought it would improve the team. Hence the trades for Raffi Torres, RJ Umberger, and Vermette, the signing of UFA Huselius.

It is foolish to think that NHL GMs, while trying to address an area of weakness on their roster, will ignore the opportunity to strengthen other areas of their hockey team when the opportunity presents itself.

Think of Vermette as one-dollar. Vishnevski as 25-cents. The 4th-round pick as 10-cents. Regardless of your teamís perceived needs, Waddell or any other NHL GM would take the one dollar of talent rather than the 35 cents of talent every day of the week.
Maybe there wasn't a player like Vermette available when Lehtonen was being shopped? Maybe Waddell is finally trying to rebuild with youth/prospects/picks, and he saw something in Vishnevsky's game that he likes?

Hossa signed this past offseason for 5.275 million. A couple years ago, the Rangers signed Drury for over 7 million dollars. By your logic, Drury is the better player because he fetched more on the open market.

You're comparing trades that were made in different seasons, with different team needs, different team directions, different goaltenders, by general managers who value things different and believe it or not, take chances. If you want to compare the returns on those two trades, you have to balance out or otherwise account for the endless amounts of variables.

Ottawa took a chance that Leclaire would return to his career-year level of play and be injury-free, and they invested Vermette in that chance. It obviously hasn't paid off, and that doesn't increase Leclaire's value.

Bertuzzi, Auld, and Allen were traded for Krajicek, Luongo, and a pick that turned into Sergei Shirokov. Ignore Auld/Allen/Krajicek/pick, and you're telling me that Bertuzzi's value, at the time, was Luongo? No. Keenan has a man-crush on Bertuzzi, and took a chance he would return to his all-star form if he got him out of Vancouver, where the Moore incident derailed his career. That doesn't mean Bertuzzi is worth Luongo, it means they gambled that he could, and lost.

Are you telling me that you would not trade Leclaire and Lehner back to Columbus for Vermette in a heartbeat?

If you would (and I should think so; a backup goaltender who has awful stats and is making 4 million dollars), then that totally invalidates what you're saying, because that says "Vermette has more value than Leclaire".

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02-26-2010, 01:06 PM
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Think of Vermette as one-dollar. Vishnevski as 25-cents. The 4th-round pick as 10-cents. Regardless of your teamís perceived needs, Waddell or any other NHL GM would take the one dollar of talent rather than the 35 cents of talent every day of the week.
You can't assign your own subjective made-up values to assets and then use those values to "prove" that one player is worth more than another... and I like how you just disregard the 2nd round pick that went to Ottawa.

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There is no way he gets past the Rangers.
Slats has worked this out with Dallas before, maybe he's done it again.

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Put Leclaire on waivers, pick up Auld. > >

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I wonder if Nashville could pick him up? Right price.

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too bad the oilers wont see the logic in getting him and keeping him to help JDD and let DD stay on the farm for the year

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Well, he's on re-entry so if nobody claims him there's obviously a problem.

I'm gonna say the Rangers or the Sharks claim him.
Why would the Sharks claim him? Nabokov, Greiss is fine.

If the Flames dont grab him its a mystery.

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too bad the oilers wont see the logic in getting him and keeping him to help JDD and let DD stay on the farm for the year
That makes a LOT of sense!

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Auld is a flake ,and why do the Oilers need him? So they can suck some more? You want this guy to mentor your young netminders,ha

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by 12 noon if he's not a Ranger Sather was caught sleeping .Veteran backup and it saves money on the cap

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Come on Sutter! Its like 200K against the cap!
125 000 dollars against the cap. 125 000 for Dallas as well of course.

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I'd love to see Auld back in Ottawa, but I would think he gets claimed earlier.

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