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03-01-2010, 03:46 PM
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I'd rather try to get Cory Schneider and deal Parent in return, but if we can somehow land both Hamhuis and Ellis in the same deal, I wouldn't be disappointed.
What is with all the hype around Schneider? His AHL numbers aren't that great and he has limited NHL experience. Why does everyone think he is such a highly touted prospect? I haven't seen him play so maybe this is just ignorance, but what is so special about this guy? I know its a small sampling, but last season he played 8 NHL games and had a +3 GAA and sub .900 save percentage. Is that the guy you want heading into the playoffs? Those stats are pretty comparable to Leighton to has just about the same AHL stats as well. I know Schneider is young and has potential, but his stats certainly aren't blowing me away.

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What is with all the hype around Schneider? His AHL numbers aren't that great and he has limited NHL experience. Why does everyone think he is such a highly touted prospect? I haven't seen him play so maybe this is just ignorance, but what is so special about this guy? I know its a small sampling, but last season he played 8 NHL games and had a +3 GAA and sub .900 save percentage. Is that the guy you want heading into the playoffs? Those stats are pretty comparable to Leighton to has just about the same AHL stats as well. I know Schneider is young and has potential, but his stats certainly aren't blowing me away.
If the critique is thinking about this coming season...then I agree, I can't see Schneider being dealt for and leading us to a Cup. In the bigger picture, I would love to pick up Schneider.

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What is with all the hype around Schneider? His AHL numbers aren't that great and he has limited NHL experience. Why does everyone think he is such a highly touted prospect? I haven't seen him play so maybe this is just ignorance, but what is so special about this guy? I know its a small sampling, but last season he played 8 NHL games and had a +3 GAA and sub .900 save percentage. Is that the guy you want heading into the playoffs? Those stats are pretty comparable to Leighton to has just about the same AHL stats as well. I know Schneider is young and has potential, but his stats certainly aren't blowing me away.
I saw him in college, dude is legit, I've been a big fan of his for years.

Once he gets a chance, he's going to do well, just needs to be eased into the NHL instead of being given 2-3 spot starts every 6 months.

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If the critique is thinking about this coming season...then I agree, I can't see Schneider being dealt for and leading us to a Cup. In the bigger picture, I would love to pick up Schneider.
Even in the bigger picture, it seems like he is just an average prospect. Certainly not going to lead anyone to a Cup this year but it seems like he is just pedestrian. Again this is just from looking at his stats, but his stats don't scream "franchise goalie."

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I saw him in college, dude is legit, I've been a big fan of his for years.

Once he gets a chance, he's going to do well, just needs to be eased into the NHL instead of being given 2-3 spot starts every 6 months.
I'm always highly skeptical of college goalies. NCAA stats can be very skewed. I'd say his AHL stats are more of an indicator, and they certainly aren't bad. But they just don't really impress as a future #1 at this point. Again I've never seen him play so you may be right.

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Eh, a lot of those stats can be skewed because it depends on the style of their team. Thiessen was one where he played really well, but his team played like the NJD in the 90s which led to some inflated stats.

But BC certainly rely on their goalies quite a bit, as for NCAA goalies...Miller, Thomas, Quick, DiPietro....most good American goalies will go through college I think.

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Even in the bigger picture, it seems like he is just an average prospect. Certainly not going to lead anyone to a Cup this year but it seems like he is just pedestrian. Again this is just from looking at his stats, but his stats don't scream "franchise goalie."
Ah, I'm not sure I'd call his numbers "pedestrian." Putting up a .928 in 40 professional games is impressive. His numbers are down a bit this year, but I don't know enough about what is going on up there to really judge that (he could have had nagging injuries, who knows).

However, he's a legit goalie prospect...which we don't really have anywhere near the NHL level.

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I'm always highly skeptical of college goalies. NCAA stats can be very skewed. I'd say his AHL stats are more of an indicator, and they certainly aren't bad. But they just don't really impress as a future #1 at this point. Again I've never seen him play so you may be right.
Stats for everyone are skewed up if you're looking at them below the professional level. Hell, stats in the AHL are skewed up.

Ryan Miller, MSU.
Jimmy Howard, Maine.
Turco, Michigan.
Thomas, Vermont.
Quick, UMASS.

Reality is that if you're looking at US goalies, there's a good chance they went to college...not sure that's something to hold against 'em.

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Do you think we could do a Blum Ellis deal instead of Hamhuis, or is Blum too highly touted in Nashville.

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Do you think we could do a Blum Ellis deal instead of Hamhuis, or is Blum too highly touted in Nashville.
...well the only reason we're talking about Hamhuis is because he's a pending UFA.

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...well the only reason we're talking about Hamhuis is because he's a pending UFA.
So we are going after him because of the cheap factor?

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I'd say Nashville needs a backup if Ellis is getting moved.
I'm pretty sure they would be ok with bringing Pickard up and letting him play about 25-30 games next year.

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So we are going after him because of the cheap factor?
...no, Nashville is only potentially moving him because he won't be there next year anyway, and the same is true of Ellis. I don't think they're going to be giving up any players they have under control unless you give 'em something they really want.

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Ah, I'm not sure I'd call his numbers "pedestrian." Putting up a .928 in 40 professional games is impressive. His numbers are down a bit this year, but I don't know enough about what is going on up there to really judge that (he could have had nagging injuries, who knows).

However, he's a legit goalie prospect...which we don't really have anywhere near the NHL level.



Stats for everyone are skewed up if you're looking at them below the professional level. Hell, stats in the AHL are skewed up.

Ryan Miller, MSU.
Jimmy Howard, Maine.
Turco, Michigan.
Thomas, Vermont.
Quick, UMASS.

Reality is that if you're looking at US goalies, there's a good chance they went to college...not sure that's something to hold against 'em.
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Eh, a lot of those stats can be skewed because it depends on the style of their team. Thiessen was one where he played really well, but his team played like the NJD in the 90s which led to some inflated stats.

But BC certainly rely on their goalies quite a bit, as for NCAA goalies...Miller, Thomas, Quick, DiPietro....most good American goalies will go through college I think.
Yeah I guess that's a good point. Still, I would at least wait until the offseason to make a move for Schneider. I feel like the Flyers have a shot to win it all this year (albeit not a great one) and have to go for the gusto. Trading for a futures type goalie would not be a good move IMO. I know a lot of people won't like that though...

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Yeah I guess that's a good point. Still, I would at least wait until the offseason to make a move for Schneider. I feel like the Flyers have a shot to win it all this year (albeit not a great one) and have to go for the gusto. Trading for a futures type goalie would not be a good move IMO. I know a lot of people won't like that though...
If the opportunity presents itself, I'd trade for him now, we've needed that future goalie for a decade, no use in passing him up if he's available because situation could be very different in the summer.

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How much room has been moved, essentially 2 mil so far?

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How much room has been moved, essentially 2 mil so far?
I think it's more like 2.5, not including the retroactively freed cap room from LTIR-ing Emery.

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How much room has been moved, essentially 2 mil so far?
Just off the top of mt head,
Emery -1.5
Syvret -500 ?
Cote - 500 ?

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Well, i'd say Parent or Coburn is gone. I'd assume Coburn would be about as expensive to retain next year as Hamhuis, hmm.

Though who knows with Holmgren.

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With the paperwork thus far, and assuming Cote and Syvret are being sent down, the Flyers have just under $222K in cap space to play with. Not enough to get Hamhuis or Ellis without taking someone off the roster, let alone both players at the same time.

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With the paperwork thus far, and assuming Cote and Syvret are being sent down, the Flyers have just under $222K in cap space to play with. Not enough to get Hamhuis or Ellis without taking someone off the roster, let alone both players at the same time.
lol, that is funny as hell. Shooter the cap genious.

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With the paperwork thus far, and assuming Cote and Syvret are being sent down, the Flyers have just under $222K in cap space to play with. Not enough to get Hamhuis or Ellis without taking someone off the roster, let alone both players at the same time.
They have almost $2M according to Boruk.



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For all you numbers crunchers, the Flyers are now roughly $1.975 mil. under the cap after placing Emery on LTI and Cote on waivers.

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They have almost $2M according to Boruk.
GKJ is probably talking in cumulative terms.

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Not sure if this applies to us.

Per NHLPredsInsider

"We got action - announcement coming shortly."

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Not sure if this applies to us.

Per NHLPredsInsider

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It doesn't.

Grebeshkov to NSH for NSH 2nd.

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It doesn't.

Grebeshkov to NSH for NSH 2nd.
Damn.

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Grebs is a replacement for Hamhuis perhaps?

Hard to see NSH holding onto all 4 of those guys unless they think they can make a run this year.

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