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Updated Cumulative Best on Best Score: Canada 6 - Rest of the World 4

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03-01-2010, 04:36 PM
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Updated Cumulative Best on Best Score: Canada 6 - Rest of the World 4

There have been 10 best on best hockey tournaments, starting with the inaugural Canada Cup in 1976, and culminating to date with the 2010 Olympics.

Thus far, Canada has won 6 times, while the entire rest of the world combined has won only 4 times.

Here are the details:

Year Tournament - Winner / Runner-up

1976 Canada Cup - Canada / Czechoslovakia

1981 Canada Cup - USSR / Canada

1984 Canada Cup - Canada / Sweden

1987 Canada Cup - Canada / USSR

1991 Canada Cup - Canada / USA (I'm not counting in the total though this in the total since the USSR and Czech teams were weakened due to the fall of the Iron Curtain. They didn't send their "best".)

1996 World Cup - USA / Canada

1998 Olympics - Czech Republic / Russia

2002 Olympics - Canada / USA

2004 World Cup - Canada / Finland

2006 Olympics - Sweden / Finland

2010 Olympics - Canada / USA

Totals:

Canada 6 wins / 2 runners-up
USA 1 win / 2 runners-up
Russia/USSR 1 win / 2 runners-up
Sweden 1 win / 1 runner-up
Czech Republic 1 win
Finland 0 wins / 2 runners-up
Czechoslovakia 0 wins / 1 runner-up

Canada Rules!!!!


Last edited by Magick93: 03-02-2010 at 11:55 AM. Reason: A poster pointed out that the 1991 Canada Cup shouldn't count as two contenders were weakened due the collapse of the USSR
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I guess we aren't counting the 50 year gold medal gap?

Seems rather elitist to do so, methinks.

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I guess we aren't counting the 50 year gold medal gap?

Seems rather elitist to do so, methinks.
That wasn't best-on-best. Our best were playing in the NHL.

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They get it, we're good. Unnecessary thread.

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I guess we aren't counting the 50 year gold medal gap?

Seems rather elitist to do so, methinks.
before 72 it wasn't best on best though, it was best against amatuers. and like herb brooks said before the usa vs ussr game. if we played a best out of 10 they might beat us 9 times, but tonight is are night we skate with them.

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There are many arbitrary ways to add up statistics.

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I guess we aren't counting the 50 year gold medal gap?

Seems rather elitist to do so, methinks.
You mean the one were the Soviets and other communist countries used their very best professionals against Canada's amateurs? We stopped participating in them for awhile in protest. I don't think any fair minded person could count those. Since 1998 when we could use our best, there's been 4 Olympics and we have 2 golds...Who has done better in that time?

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Man, like Red Sox and Yankees fans.

We get it. Shut up.

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Since 1998 when we could use our best, there's been 4 Olympics and we have 2 golds...Who has done better in that time?
This is really the only statistic that has relatively universal acceptance.

World Cup / Canada Cup and World Championships always bring up pretty rampant allegations of bias.

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They get it, we're good. Unnecessary thread.
yep.

no reason to make the rest of the hockey world hate you even more. have some humility, rather than eeking out a win and rubbing everyone's noses in it.

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World Cup / Canada Cup and World Championships always bring up pretty rampant allegations of bias.[/quote]


World championships are played at a time of year when many of the best players can't participate due to the NHL playoffs.

In contrast, Canada Cups and World Cups were played at a time to allow all of the best players to participate.

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The Canada Cup was only a friendly tournament. It doesn't have any value.

BTW, to be a best on best tournament, the Canada Cup should have had the best referees and not those chauvinist cheaters.

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You mean the one were the Soviets and other communist countries used their very best professionals against Canada's amateurs? We stopped participating in them for awhile in protest. I don't think any fair minded person could count those. Since 1998 when we could use our best, there's been 4 Olympics and we have 2 golds...Who has done better in that time?
Yeah, you're right.

Let's not count those, because Canada didn't win.

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The Canada Cup was only a friendly tournament. It doesn't have any value.

BTW, to be a best on best tournament, the Canada Cup should have had the best referees and not those chauvinist cheaters.
Do you write for Pravda?

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Yeah, you're right.

Let's not count those, because Canada didn't win.
I guess it just depends on what is more important to you, the venue or the athletes.

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Man, like Red Sox and Yankees fans.

We get it. Shut up.
No need to get mad, just prepare your team for 2014 and make us shut up.

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When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
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yep.

no reason to make the rest of the hockey world hate you even more. have some humility, rather than eeking out a win and rubbing everyone's noses in it.
I would think this gloating is more directed at the various European fans rather than the USA. In Canada we take pride in being the top hockey nation in the world, yet since Torino we've had a lot of pushback coming from across the pond with that 7th place finish and Nagano constantly rubbed in our faces. Even going into these Olympics on home turf it seems the majority outside of Canada were picking Russia or Sweden as the top team and favourites to win. So while we shouldn't overdo it I'd think us Canadians have earned the right to gloat a little.

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You mean the one were the Soviets and other communist countries used their very best professionals against Canada's amateurs? We stopped participating in them for awhile in protest. I don't think any fair minded person could count those. Since 1998 when we could use our best, there's been 4 Olympics and we have 2 golds...Who has done better in that time?
You mean when those Soviets faced off against the NHL ALL STARS and beat them? To me, that is best on best and not just Canada but the whole NHL lost that show down. Give the Soviets some credit.

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No need to get mad, just prepare your team for 2014 and make us shut up.
This is what I hate the most. Canada fans have the egos running out of control because they beat the USA in a single game. Well, team USA beat Canada 5 - 3 before that. Who cares? Basically, Canada fans are gloating that they went 1 - 1 with the USA and won by one goal on a given night during the Olympics. It doesn't make them a better team. It means they won on that night. This is why the Olympics and most international tournaments are based on a lot of luck. One game elimination doesn't mean much. If Canada faced Russia another 10 times do you think you would get the same result game in and game out? Probably not, in fact I'd be willing to bet Russia would win a handful of them. Sure, I'll give Canada their props for winning one heck of an EPIC hockey game. They deserve the credit. But that is all they deserve. They were not good enough to be gloating like this.

I can play a stats game too... Team USA outscored Canada 7 - 6 in the two games they faced one another? Does that make the USA a better team? No, it just means they scored more goals in two games than them.

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This is what I hate the most. Canada fans have the egos running out of control because they beat the USA in a single game. Well, team USA beat Canada 5 - 3 before that. Who cares? Basically, Canada fans are gloating that they went 1 - 1 with the USA and won by one goal on a given night during the Olympics. It doesn't make them a better team. It means they won on that night. This is why the Olympics and most international tournaments are based on a lot of luck. One game elimination doesn't mean much. If Canada faced Russia another 10 times do you think you would get the same result game in and game out? Probably not, in fact I'd be willing to bet Russia would win a handful of them. Sure, I'll give Canada their props for winning one heck of an EPIC hockey game. They deserve the credit. But that is all they deserve. They were not good enough to be gloating like this.

I can play a stats game too... Team USA outscored Canada 7 - 6 in the two games they faced one another? Does that make the USA a better team? No, it just means they scored more goals in two games than them.


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You mean when those Soviets faced off against the NHL ALL STARS and beat them? To me, that is best on best and not just Canada but the whole NHL lost that show down. Give the Soviets some credit.
What are you referring to? NHL players have only been playing in the Olympics since 1998 (Nagano) - in all tournaments before then, only amateurs (non-NHL) players were permitted to play.

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What are you referring to? NHL players have only been playing in the Olympics since 1998 (Nagano) - in all tournaments before then, only amateurs (non-NHL) players were permitted to play.
Yeah I don't think he knows NHL players started playing in the Olympics since 1998 lol!

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