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03-02-2010, 12:19 AM
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okay here is a wild card

listening to 630ched out of Edmonton

it sounds like grebs has interest in going to the KHL in the off season

if tht happens what is your response to the deal then
this is most likely why he could be had for a 2nd rounder, whereas a north american rfa would have cost a lot more.

i know we retain radulovs rights because he was still under contract when he left, but do we know what happens when an rfa leaves? if he comes back when he is over age 27 will he be a ufa? (because he will have the necessary 4 seasons in the league)

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okay here is a wild card

listening to 630ched out of Edmonton

it sounds like grebs has interest in going to the KHL in the off season

if tht happens what is your response to the deal then
Very unhappy.

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Interesting thought but with only him, Klein, Suter and Weber signed for next year, I have a hard time believing we'd trade him, especially since he makes so little in the grand scheme of things. Franson is restricted so if Hammer is traded, Bouillon and Grebeshkov leave as free agents, we'd have 5 guys under contract. I'm not sure Poile trades away Sulzer at this time because of that. If he did re-signing Bouillon or Grebeshkov would be an imperative.
if we can trade off jones and sulzer, we clear what, two mil off the books? we can afford hamhuis at that point and roll. blum takes cubes money. we dont need that veteran leadership. we have a guy with a full years captain experience and an olympic captain on our d. they are the vets now. this is becoming a young mans league. if you have 3-4 years under you, you are a vet.

weber-suter
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this in no way solves our scoring problem this year, and also assumes grebeshkov either gets an offer sheet or goes to russia in the offseason.

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this is most likely why he could be had for a 2nd rounder, whereas a north american rfa would have cost a lot more.

i know we retain radulovs rights because he was still under contract when he left, but do we know what happens when an rfa leaves? if he comes back when he is over age 27 will he be a ufa? (because he will have the necessary 4 seasons in the league)
this happened with hudler in detroit

detroit qualified him, he went to arbitration and then the khl. detroit still owns his rights

i thought i heard if he did not go to arbitration, he would have been free to sign with khl teams and then any nhl team.

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this happened with hudler in detroit

detroit qualified him, he went to arbitration and then the khl. detroit still owns his rights

i thought i heard if he did not go to arbitration, he would have been free to sign with khl teams and then any nhl team.
Hudler actually accepted arbitration which kept his rights with Detroit. After the chaos that caused, I don't believe an agent will allow his player to accept arbitration again if they wanted to sign with the KHL.

Matt Ellison would be a better example. He went to the KHL as an RFA last summer and is scheduled to become a UFA this summer...

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Tom Callahan interviews Coach Trotz regarding today's trade:

http://predators.nhl.com/club/podcas...d=29&iid=20491

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Grebs has mad offensive skills. But he has absolutely sucked this year. Good for a goal against per game. That is not an exaggeration. I dont really see the upside for you guys. He is a prime candidate to bolt to the khl. He is nowhere near worth the money he is commanding. Best of luck to you.

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Good for a goal against per game. That is not an exaggeration.
Yes it is...... Big time.......

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Yes it is...... Big time.......
Not hardly. They will see for themselves soon enough.

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Not hardly. They will see for themselves soon enough.
Well, on the flipside, if you pair *second round pick* with Gilbert, I think you'll be pleased at the way that it provides bone crushing physicality with offensive flair. I know that the next time I purchase Oilers silks, I'm getting SECOND ROUND PICK - 02 on the back, and I'll wear it proudly!

On a more serious note...provided Hamhuis is still our property by the game tonight, Trotz's plan is to play Grebs with Bouillon, moving the Cube to the right side. What does that mean? The dynamic duo of Kleinhuis lives on!

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On a more serious note...provided Hamhuis is still our property by the game tonight, Trotz's plan is to play Grebs with Bouillon, moving the Cube to the right side. What does that mean? The dynamic duo of Kleinhuis lives on!
I read that too...my reaction...

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On a more serious note...provided Hamhuis is still our property by the game tonight, Trotz's plan is to play Grebs with Bouillon, moving the Cube to the right side. What does that mean? The dynamic duo of Kleinhuis lives on!

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He is a prime candidate to bolt to the khl.
Is this speculation on your part or can you provide a link to a source to back this up?

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Is this speculation on your part or can you provide a link to a source to back this up?
There's been nothing documented. It's been a "what if" type of deal, and now it's changed to "he's gonna," to feel better about the deal.

Grebeshkov, Leopold, Wallin - all go for second rounders.

I feel like we've made out the best, so far...especially considering we could have him beyond this season, and we were going to be in an interesting spot on the backend next year.

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Well, on the flipside, if you pair *second round pick* with Gilbert, I think you'll be pleased at the way that it provides bone crushing physicality with offensive flair. I know that the next time I purchase Oilers silks, I'm getting SECOND ROUND PICK - 02 on the back, and I'll wear it proudly!

On a more serious note...provided Hamhuis is still our property by the game tonight, Trotz's plan is to play Grebs with Bouillon, moving the Cube to the right side. What does that mean? The dynamic duo of Kleinhuis lives on!
*Second round pick* is more defensively responsible, more physical and gives the puck away far less. He also costs nothing against the cap, which is the best part of all for us. This deal was a salary dump for us and a try before you buy for you guys. I think it works for both teams.

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Is this speculation on your part or can you provide a link to a source to back this up?
There has been talk on the radio up here but I cant provide you with a link. I am sure if he gets a contract to his liking his preference would be to stay in the nhl.

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There has been talk on the radio up here but I cant provide you with a link. I am sure if he gets a contract to his liking his preference would be to stay in the nhl.
Talk on the radio.. so just speculation.. thanks.

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There has been talk on the radio up here but I cant provide you with a link. I am sure if he gets a contract to his liking his preference would be to stay in the nhl.
I guess given the choice between staying in Edmonton or leaving for the KHL, I would want out too.

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I guess given the choice between staying in Edmonton or leaving for the KHL, I would want out too.
I know that was meant to be a joke, but I can't say i expected to hear it from someone who just had a Russian player (Radulov) not even wait for his contract to end before deciding he'd rather be in Russia. Glass houses...

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I know that was meant to be a joke, but I can't say i expected to hear it from someone who just had a Russian player (Radulov) not even wait for his contract to end before deciding he'd rather be in Russia. Glass houses...
Yeah, it was a joke.

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I'm hoping we keep Hamhuis and Dan Ellis. I think we need the help on the defense and with 14 games in 29 days we also need 2 good goalies.

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I read that too...my reaction...
Oh, sure, put the brand new guy in directly with a second line guy and have him play important minutes... That seems to be what the complainers are implying. Trotz said the pickup was for depth. He didn't say "we're hoping he's an upgrade" over anybody.

Hide him with third line minutes with Bullion for a few games at least. Unless I miss some great pairing you folks see? You want Franson with Hamhuis? I guess that's been what many have wanted. Which is ok I guess. And Grebeskhov rides pine? I suppose.


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I know that was meant to be a joke, but I can't say i expected to hear it from someone who just had a Russian player (Radulov) not even wait for his contract to end before deciding he'd rather be in Russia.
The unexpected nature helps make it funny. What, you wanted him to telegraph the punch line?

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Oh, sure, put the brand new guy in directly with a second line guy and have him play important minutes... That seems to be what the complainers are implying. Trotz said the pickup was for depth. He didn't say "we're hoping he's an upgrade" over anybody.

Hide him with third line minutes with Bullion for a few games at least. Unless I miss some great pairing you folks see? You want Franson with Hamhuis? I guess that's been what many have wanted. Which is ok I guess. And Grebeskhov rides pine? I suppose.
Because our second pairing has been so awesome, and it would be too risky to break it up?

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Because our second pairing has been so awesome, and it would be too risky to break it up?
So a new offensive oriented guy who has a bit of a rep for turnovers is going to help prevent the breakdowns?

You got me on the quality of our second pairing (although I think the ills are exagerrated). But that doesn't mean it makes sense to throw Grebeshkov in there. Maybe after a few games and a few practices.

Hammer and Klein are just going to have to play well. Certainly they'll play as well due to all their experience together as they would via a "shakeup" with someone brand new. I think they play ok most of the time. Hopefully they'll play the best they have out of this break.

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