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03-01-2010, 02:30 PM
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I think if you look back at prior threads, the consensus opinion on Crosby is that his work ethic was good but his execution was off.

I criticized his penchant for looking for the perfect pass as opposed to just firing it on net.

Funny how things work out.

He needed to be more selfish, but as the youngest player playing with a couple of snipers, I'm thinking he saw his role as a playmaker and that made the line easier to shut down because they were more predictable.

Really great lines (the CASH line of Alfie-Spezza-Heatley is most recognizable to me personally) keep their opponents guessing (including the goalie) because all three of the players are equally liable to shoot or pass.

I wonder if Miller didn't expect the shot from Crosby because he certainly didn't seem to shoot all that often in the tournament.

Maybe that was his plan all along.

A good performance is comprised of:

(a) effort; and
(b) execution.

Some guys had both (i.e. Toews), some guys had one or the other (i.e. Crosby) and some guys had neither (i.e. Thornton).

I liked Crosby's game for the most part throughout the tournament, and interestingly, it seemed as if the entire country thought it was Crosby's time in the OT. I know everyone I was with during the intermission was saying, "Time for Crosby to step up."

For him to do so, at that critical moment, is pretty amazing.

And I don't really like Crosby all that much. As a Sens fan, I've seen enough of him in the playoffs for awhile.

But I can give credit where it's due.
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03-01-2010, 02:49 PM
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They picked Sid cause he's more marketable. There's a whole case study on it. Ovie's a russian with a busted grill on a team that's not already a dynasty. I admit, I have been quite pleased as of late as Ovie's been stealing the spotlight a bit in the hockey commercials.
One other thing that people have to remember is that Crosby is always available to the media. He doesn't say anything outlandish and may be a bit boring even, but the media can get soundbites from him.
Ovie wouldn't even talk to the North American press at the tournament and then went out and had that incident (however overblown some people think it may have been) with the fan holding the camera.

I don't think the NHL is relying solely on Crosby either. Ovechkin may have had a harder time trying to get some of the spotlight, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's there now.

People who hate Crosby (or Ovechkin) need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and understand that both can be great and deserving of praise/criticism.

Crosby had a decent tournament and did a lot of little things right. Ovechkin had a decent tournament (until the last game). Neither was spectacular. Crosby scored the biggest goal of the tournament and so he's going to be getting accolades for it (probably for a long time to come). If Ovechkin had not scored against Canada, Slovakia or the first 3 periods of the US game and then scored the winner in OT, people would be raving about him as well.

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03-01-2010, 03:00 PM
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Check out the post Olympic hockey talk from Inside Hockey TV today featuring myself, McKenzie Lavoie and Kevin Greenstein (plus some Trade Deadline talk)



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03-01-2010, 03:14 PM
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BINGO.

Drew Doughty was Canada's MVP by a mile. I'd even put Jonathan Toews and Jarome Iginla ahead of Crosby in this tournament. Crosby got the all important goal and now we hear how he took team Canada on his back. Yet we fail to remember the guy went 180 minutes without registering 1 point.

I would have perferred anyone else on Canada get the goal outside of Crosby and Pronger (I just don't like Pronger, that's why I added him).
Toews was the MVP by a mile.

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03-01-2010, 03:17 PM
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Crosby was average in the big games, but found a way to come through at the most important of times, I have nothing but respect for that. No one can say he's not a clutch performer.

Since I'm not a Crosby fan, I'll take solace in the fact that Getzlaf was Canada's best forward throughout the big games. My favorite part: Getzlaf, not Toews, or Crosby was out in the final minute of the gold medal game. Shows just how complete a player he really is.

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03-01-2010, 03:19 PM
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Toews was the MVP by a mile.
Toews was the most consistent forward, but Getzlaf was the best forward in the big games.

Doughty was also the most consistent defenseman, but Weber and Niedermayer were the better defenders in the big games. So it really depends which you prefer for the MVP.

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03-01-2010, 03:50 PM
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Toews was the most consistent forward, but Getzlaf was the best forward in the big games.

Doughty was also the most consistent defenseman, but Weber and Niedermayer were the better defenders in the big games. So it really depends which you prefer for the MVP.
sounds like they had a balanced team, getting contributions from many of their all-star players throughout the tournament. i don't think it matters who's MVP and I don't really care.

You could make the case for Doughty, Luongo, Toews, Crosby, Getzlaf, Niedermayer even Perry had some moments.

Difficult to distinguish yourself as a superstar among stars.

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03-01-2010, 05:03 PM
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Toews was the MVP by a mile.
Ye ur right. 1 goal and 7 assists is way better than 4 goals and 3 assists with 2 games winning goals and one of them being The Golden Goal. Peace.

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Ye ur right. 1 goal and 7 assists is way better than 4 goals and 3 assists with 2 games winning goals and one of them being The Golden Goal. Peace.
rofl buds.. crosby homer much... id ont see how you could possibly argue that crosby > toews at this tournament for canada.. ya 4 goals and 3 assists against weak teams with AWFUL goaltenders.. mmhmm.. vs 1 goal and 7 assists who btw got a point in EVERY game showing consistency and that he showed up EACH and every game.. he also SHUT DOWN the opposing forwards when we needed it the most(elimination rounds).. crosby not so much.. he on the other hand was shut down.. there are many players that were better then crosby on team canada... crosby woudlnt even crack the top 5 players for team canada this tournament.. sadly thats the truth

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Well Crosby got Luongo off the hook

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rofl buds.. crosby homer much... id ont see how you could possibly argue that crosby > toews at this tournament for canada.. ya 4 goals and 3 assists against weak teams with AWFUL goaltenders.. mmhmm.. vs 1 goal and 7 assists who btw got a point in EVERY game showing consistency and that he showed up EACH and every game.. he also SHUT DOWN the opposing forwards when we needed it the most(elimination rounds).. crosby not so much.. he on the other hand was shut down.. there are many players that were better then crosby on team canada... crosby woudlnt even crack the top 5 players for team canada this tournament.. sadly thats the truth
Funny, I thought Crosby and Toews played against the same weak goaltenders during the Olympics. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

Everybody who wants can keep taking shots at Crosby, as I doubt he cares. At 22, he's got Gold, a Cup, an Art Ross, a Pearson, and a Hart. He is the very definition of a winner. Most of his doubters don't deserve to carry a single one of his pubic hairs.

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03-01-2010, 06:19 PM
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Funny how before the tournament Canada had a roster full of horrible picks, was too slow, and not enough offence. Crosby scores the OT winner in the GMG, now they were stacked, and could have won without him.

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rofl buds.. crosby homer much... id ont see how you could possibly argue that crosby > toews at this tournament for canada.. ya 4 goals and 3 assists against weak teams with AWFUL goaltenders.. mmhmm.. vs 1 goal and 7 assists who btw got a point in EVERY game showing consistency and that he showed up EACH and every game.. he also SHUT DOWN the opposing forwards when we needed it the most(elimination rounds).. crosby not so much.. he on the other hand was shut down.. there are many players that were better then crosby on team canada... crosby woudlnt even crack the top 5 players for team canada this tournament.. sadly thats the truth
So if Crosby and Toews switched roles, Toews would of done better than Crosby?

If Toews had to consistently face the opposition's best pairings every night, he would of put up 3-4 points a night?

Doubtful... very doubtful.

Perhaps there is something to what Iggy and Messier said about Crosby making it easier for everyone else on Team Canada... perhaps it is easier for All-star caliber players when they aren't the focus of the other team...

But what do Iggy and Messier know?

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Funny how before the tournament Canada had a roster full of horrible picks, was too slow, and not enough offence. Crosby scores the OT winner in the GMG, now they were stacked, and could have won without him.
You forgot how big of an idiot Mike Babcock is and how only a fool would start someone of Brodeur's caliber ahead of Luongo for the Olympics

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You forgot how big of an idiot Mike Babcock is and how only a fool would start someone of Brodeur's caliber ahead of Luongo for the Olympics

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It is amazing! And Niedermayer, you know, he had no business being on that team, and was a huge liability.

Good stuff! Here is Jim Rome's take:



That is truly good stuff!

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I think its fitting that for one of the BIG reasons canada won gold in 2002, jarome iginla, who was practicaly 25 when he scored 2 goals and 1 assist in the winning game, the same age as many of the guys on the 2010 gold edition team, was the one who desperately got that pass off to crosby, for that amazing golden goal, good for you jarome

good for all of those on that team that might never win a cup, and good for those who added a gold medal to go along with their cup rings

hearing crosby yell "IGGY" so loud in everyone one of those replays gives me goosebumps now

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Sidney Crosby

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When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night he checks his closet for Sidney Crosby

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Taking the way back machine to the 1984 Canada Cup, and one of my least favourite players was on the ice for Team Canada, Mike Bossy. A rather irrational dislike, I can admit, and I remember saying to myself while looking at him on the face-off, "If Bossy scores, I will never say anything bad about him again."

He scored, I never did.
Hilarious, bro. Exact samsies. When Bossy tipped in that shot from the point, I never cheered against him again as long as he played. I was an Oil fan, so I HATED the Islanders...but I kept my word.

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So if Crosby and Toews switched roles, Toews would of done better than Crosby?

If Toews had to consistently face the opposition's best pairings every night, he would of put up 3-4 points a night?

Doubtful... very doubtful.

Perhaps there is something to what Iggy and Messier said about Crosby making it easier for everyone else on Team Canada... perhaps it is easier for All-star caliber players when they aren't the focus of the other team...

But what do Iggy and Messier know?
If Toews and Crosby had switched roles, would Crosby do as well a job as Toews in shutting down the opposition? Face it, Crosby had a mediocre tournament, that doesn't mean he's not an amazing player. He play well in the round robins, disappeared against Russia and Slovakia and then showed up in OT to score the GWG. There's a reason that Toews got named to the Olympic All Star Team and was named the best forward of the tournament.

3-4 points a night? What are you talking about?

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Sid was the Leader of this team when he needed to he got it done. In the Shootout and in and in OT in the Gold Medal Game!

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If Toews and Crosby had switched roles, would Crosby do as well a job as Toews in shutting down the opposition?
I'm pretty confident Crosby could play a defensive shut down role if he had to. It isn't a stretch to imagine with his work ethic, speed, hockey IQ and tenacity, he would do quite well in that role.

People seem to talk about what the Wings did to stop Crosby, very few however realized that he shut down Zetterberg. I already broke it down in another thread over the Summer and Zetterberg only had one goal agt. Crosby's line.

Bylsma said over and over throughout the series his strategy was to have Crosby matched agt. Zetterberg so he could keep him in check and off the scoresheet.

So ya, I am 100% certain Crosby could have done quite well in Toews role. He is very good in his own end, just as Larionov and others have said.

So again, would Towes have done a better job than Crosby if roles were switched and the oppositions #1 goal was to stop him at all costs?

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Face it, Crosby had a mediocre tournament, that doesn't mean he's not an amazing player. He play well in the round robins, disappeared against Russia and Slovakia and then showed up in OT to score the GWG. There's a reason that Toews got named to the Olympic All Star Team and was named the best forward of the tournament.
He disappeared how? Because he didn't have points and we all know that if you aren't scoring, then you are worthless, right?

He came out and played hard every shift, cycled the puck and kept it away from the other team. Rarely lost a battle along the board, continuously setup his linemates and played well in his own end and he missed a total of one assignment that lead to a goal.

That's what good players do when they aren't scoring. There is actually more to hockey than just scoring - I know it sounds crazy and all...

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3-4 points a night? What are you talking about?
So I guess he had a mediocre tournament because he wasn't "lighting it up" like so many people thought he should. Apparently people must of thought this was an All-star game and didn't realize it was Olympic hockey where defense and tight checking are predominant.

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I don't understand why so many Americnas are trying to convince Canadians otherwise about Crosby.

Just leave it alone. He's a hero in Canada. To the average American outside of Pittsburgh, he either doesn't exist, doesn't matter or is loathed beyond comprehension.

No matter how hard NBC or VS or the NHL network tries, the Crosby-NHL marriage has not produced the revenue in America that they all anticipated after Toronto and Madison Avenue decided to make him the NHL's poster child.

Two reasons why:

1) Terrible national exposure in the US. A garbage TV contract and horrible ad campaigns has not produced the results or interest the NHL used to generate with ESPN. Hate on ESPN all you want, but the NHL went from broadcasting 3-5 games a week and 10-15 during the playoffs (including Sunday nights after the NFL) on ESPN to millions of Americans basically free of charge to a weak two-game a week contract with a friggin outdoor network.

2) Overexposure of the NFL. The NFL is a monster in America. From September to February, all we do is eat, sleep and drink football. By the time the season is over, we get a good month of hockey before baseball starts, March Madness and the NBA playoffs.

Hockey is a niche sport in America. No matter how hard Bettman tries, he will never be able to become the 4th sport as long as they maintain a relationship with Versus and the NFL and MLB keep hoarding all the attention.

At some point, the NHL in America will get off the Crosby bandwagon and go in a different direction.

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My favorite part: Getzlaf, not Toews, or Crosby was out in the final minute of the gold medal game. Shows just how complete a player he really is.
...and we all know how that turned out. (Sorry, too good a set up line to pass up).

I agree with the rest of your analysis above, except that I thought Weber was the best defenseman overall. Niedermayer was great when it counted the most, thank goodness, but Weber was a real revelation, solid as a rock.

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